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Old 03-10-2013, 01:04 PM   #21
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Looks like an iron 883 with better performance/engineering! Like it!
Exactly!! and the price is almost as the Iron 883. Perhaps the engine is much better but for that price I choose the Harley-Davidson just for the "coolness" factor of the brand name!

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Yamaha would do well to rerun the xs650.
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looks like they took elements from all the sportster models and rolled it into one bike.
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looks like they took elements from all the sportster models and rolled it into one bike.
Originality at it's finest.
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good looking bike! The thing I like about metric bikes is that their prices are a lot more negotiable compared to HD. Im willing to bet that one can get the Bolt close to its MSRP OTD.
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Originality at it's finest.
But when was the sportster last original? There is a difference between classic and tired, harley has really been toeing that line lately.

The bolt looks a bit lighter, probably has a tad more power, and appears to have a bit more suspension travel. It is certainly an imitation, but flattery and improvement...
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Looks like Yamaha is trying to capture the current trend
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But when was the sportster last original? There is a difference between classic and tired, harley has really been toeing that line lately.

The bolt looks a bit lighter, probably has a tad more power, and appears to have a bit more suspension travel. It is certainly an imitation, but flattery and improvement...
Classic and tired? When's the last time you were familiar with the Sportster line, or set foot in an HD dealership?

Last original? How's this:
The Superlow is a new design for 2013, targeted towards entry level riders.
The Seventy-Two was a new design last year.
The Forty-Eight was a new design 2 years ago.
The XL1200C Custom was completely redone 3 years ago.
The XR1200 was a new design 4 years ago.
The Nightster and Iron 883's were new designs 5 years ago and set the standard for the minimalistic look.

You also have a lot of supposition in your reply; "looks like", "probably has" and "appears to be". Then you go on to say "improvement" but don't provide any concrete improvements.

Look, the 950 might be a nice bike, time will tell once it's released, but it's embarrassing to see Yamaha shamelessly copy HD on everything from their Star line to now this.

How about some originality?
Yamaha USED TO BE the company that innovated design: the XS/Midnight Special line, the Seca line including the turbo Seca, the SRX singles, the 920 Vision, the 5 valve cylinder head and FZR line, and the original V Max just to name a few.

Loosenoose had a good point, reintroduce the XS650 but with some improvements and more cc's. Just don't let the idiots who did the V Max revamp do it.
That's a perfect example of how Yamaha could have had a run away hit but stepped on their with golf spikes.
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On the Bolt's features, of course it is supposition. All we have are photos and a press release so far. However I doubt Yamaha would be so near HD's price point without added value.

I appreciate that Harley sells the retro image, and during a recession that means trim a fender here, peanut tank there, and swap a skinny spoke wheel up front. However, the XR1200 was a great example of what they could be doing. Classic looks inspired by a historic motorcycle mated to a capable suspension along with a thoughtfully tweaked engine; I near bought one. Instead they are discontinuing it.
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Not a bad effort by Yamaha. Whole lot better than Honda's new CTX700N and only $1k more.

"Mystique" and "coolness" are intangible values a particular brand imbues on those who subscribe to it. The effect is far from universal on all riders. For me, often the more popular a certain brand is, the less appealing it is to me, which is why I prefer Guzzi over Hardley and Aprilia over Ducati. As is, the Big Four doesn't have one air-cooled V-twin that appeals to me. If only Yamaha would bring the MT-01 to our shores...
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Or their big air-cooled inline 4s! I'd be all over a GSX 1400.
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Classic and tired? When's the last time you were familiar with the Sportster line, or set foot in an HD dealership?

Last original? How's this:
The Superlow is a new design for 2013, targeted towards entry level riders.
Yeah, that lowered suspension must have taken them all of 10 minutes to come up with.
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The Seventy-Two was a new design last year.
If by "new design" you mean "fat tire and candy paint"...
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The Forty-Eight was a new design 2 years ago.
I can see that discussion in the boardroom "Lets take a fat tire and peanut tank, toss it on a Sporty and call it some number that alludes to a classic design from a period in which the Sportster wasn't made (but is really just the total range with a 2 gallon tank)
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The XL1200C Custom was completely redone 3 years ago.
Ahem - Sportster with a different tank design.
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The XR1200 was a new design 4 years ago.
Now THAT may be about the closest thing to a new design in the list, but it still uses the same engine, transmission and frame.
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The Nightster and Iron 883's were new designs 5 years ago and set the standard for the minimalistic look.
No, they were parts bin bikes.

New design means more than just some slight styling touches. How about they do a REAL new design involving something like the engine, transmission, frame and suspension? You know- like everyone ELSE does?

HD makes a good machine for what it is - an air-cooled twin which meets modern emissions standards, albeit while producing far less power than any of their competitors for any given engine displacement. Don't pretend they are in ANY way a design or technological leader.
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the aftermarket pipes they have are cool..

No valve adjust every 4k, its has same motor as vstar 950 which has better power delivery and performance than the vstar1100. It is tuned a little peppier.

I think no matter what bike you design it will look like something else. They were trying to catch a dif crowd. Its 400 more dollars than the vstar950. Compared to harley its cheaper and most likely has more performance qualities. In June they are having an early release for a whole new line up in Vegas (sportbikes, motocross, sidexsides, etc.) cant wait to see whats new, I have an idea though..
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Yeah, that lowered suspension must have taken them all of 10 minutes to come up with.

If by "new design" you mean "fat tire and candy paint"...

I can see that discussion in the boardroom "Lets take a fat tire and peanut tank, toss it on a Sporty and call it some number that alludes to a classic design from a period in which the Sportster wasn't made (but is really just the total range with a 2 gallon tank)

Ahem - Sportster with a different tank design.

Now THAT may be about the closest thing to a new design in the list, but it still uses the same engine, transmission and frame.

No, they were parts bin bikes.

New design means more than just some slight styling touches. How about they do a REAL new design involving something like the engine, transmission, frame and suspension? You know- like everyone ELSE does?

HD makes a good machine for what it is - an air-cooled twin which meets modern emissions standards, albeit while producing far less power than any of their competitors for any given engine displacement. Don't pretend they are in ANY way a design or technological leader.
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Or their big air-cooled inline 4s! I'd be all over a GSX 1400.
Those might actually have a chance of making it here, now that Honda has brought over the CB1100.

Honorsdaddy, I agree with what you said. I don't have any distain for HD the Brand. They just don't sell any hardware I'd like to own. The only "new design" I actually do like - the V-Rod (actually more specifically Street Rod) - happens to be disliked by most HD traditionalists.
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