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Old 03-01-2007, 11:44 AM   #1
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Question on vehicle tongue weight

I've own a Toyota Rav4. I had a class III hitch installed by the truck place down the road. I pull my bike trailer and track bike with no problem (600lbs).

The tongue weight for the Rav4 is rated at 150lbs and the towing cap is 1500lbs. That's for the Toyota hitch that comes with the car, not aftermarket.

Now for the question part....

I want to buy one of these aluminum cargo carriers for my minibike. The bike and carrier will total to 182lbs. Since this exceeds the factory spec is it gonna rip the hitch off the car? Is it gonna flip the car over? What can I expect?
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on the after market hitch that bolts to your frame.. no problems.. as long as it is a good one that is installed correctly.

off of you bumper.. haha.. expect the bumper to fall off. along with what ever is attached to it.
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on the after market hitch that bolts to your frame.. no problems.. as long as it is a good one that is installed correctly.

off of you bumper.. haha.. expect the bumper to fall off. along with what ever is attached to it.
It's attached to the frame. Bumber is japanese plastic :icon_bigg
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It's attached to the frame. Bumber is japanese plastic :icon_bigg
I don't think the RAV4 has an actually frame, it's unibody isn't it? which means it has a subframe that's part of the body. I wouldn't exceed the 1500 maximum towing capacity. Its not going to rip the hitch off the vehicle but it will make it difficult to manage.

having a higher tongue weight than recommended will make the vehicle sag more and can cause unwanted handling characteristics.

Where did you come up with the 182lb tongue weight? (tongue weight is measured at the coupler with a loaded trailer at normal coupler ride height)

As long as you are under 1500lbs trailer weight, try shifting the load back on the trailer to lighten up the tongue some.

Anothing consideration is GVWR, make sure you don't exceed that either. That's the weight of the vehicle with all its passengers and cargo combined with the weight of the trailer and load.

I used to tow my boat with a V6 Explorer and it was right on the limit of the trailer weight maximum. Did fine with just me in the car, but as soon as we put 3-4 more people in the car the Explorer was STRUGGLING.
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should be no problems. My f150 that i totaled said it had a 6500 # towing capacity... i used to pull my dad 11,000# tractor around on a trailer.
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Where did you come up with the 182lb tongue weight?
bike rack has no wheels... its just weight on the tongue
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I don't think the RAV4 has an actually frame, it's unibody isn't it? which means it has a subframe that's part of the body. I wouldn't exceed the 1500 maximum towing capacity. Its not going to rip the hitch off the vehicle but it will make it difficult to manage.

having a higher tongue weight than recommended will make the vehicle sag more and can cause unwanted handling characteristics.

Where did you come up with the 182lb tongue weight?
Hmmm. I'm only trying to exceed the tongue weight not the towing cap. I found the max tongue weight (150lbs) in the Toyota manual.

The mini is 130lbs and the carrier is 52lbs. Here's a pic of it.
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Hmmm. I'm only trying to exceed the tongue weight not the towing cap. I found the max tongue weight (150lbs) in the Toyota manual.

The mini is 130lbs and the carrier is 52lbs. Here's a pic of it.
for factory equip. they are talking off the bumper.
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bike rack has no wheels... its just weight on the tongue
Doh. I was thinking trailer......


182lbs on the tongue should be okay.....in that case.
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when the manufacture says tongue weight they mean the weight of the tongue of the the trailer that is going to be sittin on the bumper. the after market piece will probably support twice that.
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Hmmm. I'm only trying to exceed the tongue weight not the towing cap. I found the max tongue weight (150lbs) in the Toyota manual.

The mini is 130lbs and the carrier is 52lbs. Here's a pic of it.

Yeah I was thinking trailer.....you'll probably be fine only going over 32#. They put those ratings out there so that when some a$$ puts a trailer on his car and loads it with a 500# tongue weight and it tears up the car the manuf. has a way out.
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Doh. I was thinking trailer......


182lbs on the tongue should be okay.....in that case.
Hopefully it won't loop the car. That thing is small.
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should be no problems. My f150 that i totaled said it had a 6500 # towing capacity... i used to pull my dad 11,000# tractor around on a trailer.
You're brave, hope that trailer had brakes. I don't much like towing my boat with my '02 F150 supercrew, but my trailer has no brakes need to get a surge brake kit and install it. My boat and trailer with gear and fuel weighs around 6000-6300lbs. But then again I was used to towing the boat with my diesel F-350 crewcab or diesel Excursion before I traded them off.
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The V6 2WD 7-passenger (with tow package) is even better:

UVW: 3527
GVWR: 4895
GCVWR: 8515

This is almost 5000 pounds of "hauling capacity." You could load 950 pounds in the car and still have room under your GVWR for 400 pounds of hitch weight and room under GCVWR for a 4000 pound trailer.

what does it mean? the factory towing option (just like an after market one but probably costs more) gives you 400#s on the hitch. we have a winner.
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Hopefully it won't loop the car. That thing is small.
Expect it to squat, but you should be fine.
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You're brave, hope that trailer had brakes. I don't much like towing my boat with my '02 F150 supercrew, but my trailer has no brakes need to get a surge brake kit and install it. My boat and trailer with gear and fuel weighs around 6000-6300lbs. But then again I was used to towing the boat with my diesel F-350 crewcab or diesel Excursion before I traded them off.
no trailer brakes.. it was just around his land from one spot to the next. we did haul my totaled truck (ext cab v8 f150) 30 miles with his v6 reg. cab f150.. no trailer brakes.. but he also hauls his tractor with that truck he has been doing it for a long time, he's good at stopping.
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Hopefully it won't loop the car. That thing is small.
Dont pop the clutch..
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what does it mean? the factory towing option (just like an after market one but probably costs more) gives you 400#s on the hitch. we have a winner.

The factory towing option will be rated higher because it will have the transmission oil cooler installed. If you didn't get the factory option included and didn't have a trans cooler installed I go with the lower ratings based on what's on the hitch, unless you like to buy transmissions.
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I once towed my blazer with a neighbors f150. unfortunately we were young and dumb. loaded the blazer too close to the tongue, lightened the front end of the truck and started fish tailing (swaying) and caused us to eat a guard rail at 65 mph with 3 complete roll overs. What a sad day, he wasn't covered by his parents insurance and my car had just been paid off and lowered to liabilty on insurance. about a 30K dollar loss. Felt bad for his dad, they had to refinance their house to pay off the truck loan. , sorry to interupt your thread:BangHead:
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[QUOTE]The V6 2WD 7-passenger (with tow package) is even better:

UVW: 3527
GVWR: 4895
GCVWR: 8515

This is almost 5000 pounds of "hauling capacity." You could load 950 pounds in the car and still have room under your GVWR for 400 pounds of hitch weight and room under GCVWR for a 4000 pound trailer.QUOTE]

The GCVWR takes into account:
GVWR: 4895 minus
UVW: 3527
= 1368 of cargo and passengers
GCVWR: 8515 is your UVW + Max cargo and passengers + MAX TRAILER TOWING CAPCITY.

The factory towing option must have a higher trailer weight capacity is all I can think of.
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