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Old 03-06-2007, 05:07 PM   #141
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I think the age of the earth has a huge part to do with anything. Although, ones biblical scholars will make their own interpretations that will bend towards whatever they want to evangelize.
Implying, perhaps not intentionally, but indeed implying that biblical scholars will, without exception, "bend towards whatever they want to evangelize"

And I said:

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Not always the case, there are those of us that lean more toward the empirachally backed idea that the earth is older than 6 thousand years. Not exactly sure just how much older, but the possibility of it being older indeed.



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Implying, perhaps not intentionally, but indeed implying that biblical scholars will, without exception, "bend towards whatever they want to evangelize"

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Yep, thanks...DURRR
So then you are not the biblical scholar making your own interpretation?

Biblical scholar is being used loosely towards anyone who reads the bible. I of course would be a biblical scholar as well and I am definetly bending towards what I want to be evangelical about.
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And made the beast of the earth after his kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind: and said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
Gen 1:25,26

(man made after the beasts) And the LORD said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." And out of the ground the LORD formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam ... but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen 2:18-20 (man made before the beasts)

Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female
Gen 7:2

Of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark
Gen 6:19

Thou shalt not kill
Exod 20:13

Thus sayeth the LORD of Israel, "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour".
Exod 32:27

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
Exod 20:4

"And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
Exodus 25:18

"Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
Leviticus 25:45-46

"Undo the heavy burdens . . . let the oppressed go free, . . . break every yoke."
Isaiah 58:6

"I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
Ezekiel 24:14

. . . and repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jonah 3:10

"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
Jer 13:14

The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.
James 5:11

Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth
Num 12:3

And Moses was wroth ... And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves"
Num 31:14,17,18

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
Ex 33:11

No man hath seen at any time.
John 1:18

And it came to pass after these things, that did tempt Abraham.
Gen 22:1

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of ; for cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
James 1:13

And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of SEVEN HUNDRED chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand HORSEMEN, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.
2 Sam 10:18

But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians SEVEN THOUSAND men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand FOOTMEN, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.
1 Chron 19:18

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel
1 Chron 21:1

And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah"
2 Sam 24:1

"Behold, I am the Lord, the of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?"
Jeremiah 32:27

And the Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Judges 1:19

Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
2 Sam 6:23

The five sons of Michel the daughter of Saul, whom she bare for Adriel.
2 Sam 21:8

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Prov 4:7

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1 Cor 1:19

Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
Prov 3:13

For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Eccles 1:18

The dead know not any thing, neither have they any more reward.
Eccles 9:5

These shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous unto life eternal.
Matt 25:46

So came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS of famine come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee?
II Samuel 24:13

So came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS of famine or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
Matt 25:46

Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.
Isa 14:21

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Deut 24:16

And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2 Kings 2:11

No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man.
John 3:13

Jesus .. the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Luke 3:23

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus.
Matt 1:16

And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
Luke 2:39

When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod.
Matt 2:14,15

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Matt 12:30

And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Luke 9:50

Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26

The word which sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ.
Acts 10:36

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Matthew 10:34

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
Mark 15:25

About the sixth hour ... they cried out, "Away with him, away with him, crucify him".
John 19:14,15

I and my Father are one.
John 10:30

(Christ equal to ) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

(Christ less than )
Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Acts 1:18

And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field.
Matt 27:5-7

In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
Matt 5:16

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secert. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matt 6:3-4

For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works.
Ephesians 2:8,9

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
James 2:24

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My , my , why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Matt.27:46,50

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
John19:30
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Your obviously getting this from some "YaY for Athiesm" website :P

I tell you what, Since you went through the trouble of copy/pasting the whoooole site I will be more than happy to reiterate each one, one by one, so long as you are willing to tell me how you feel I am in error or how I have corrected a misguided interpretation after each one.

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And made the beast of the earth after his kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind: and said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
Gen 1:25,26

(man made after the beasts)

And the LORD said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." And out of the ground the LORD formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam ... but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen 2:18-20 (man made before the beasts)
Beast was in fact made, before man, and as I stated in my first post towards you, you are reading one sentance at a time, and not looking at the whole chapter.. for example, in your quote from the second chapter of Genisis, if you had, in fact, read the chapter and not done a google search for "Bible Contradictions" then you would have been able to see the following...

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1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which created and made.

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7And the LORD formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8And the LORD planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9And out of the ground made the LORD to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15And the LORD took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18And the LORD said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19And out of the ground the LORD formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
DID create the beasts first, he made them on the 5th day. Man was not created until the 7th day. After Man was created Brought every living thing before him and let him name them.

In all honesty, I'm not going to, at this post go through the effort of recanting every verse you posted because I really do get the feeling that you have merely quoted some stuff from websites without having done any independant research of your own.

However, I am ready, and able to clarify every single statement in your post one by one if you are going to be here to discuss them. Do you feel that we still have a contradiction between who came first, Man or Beast, or are we able to move on to the next statement at this point?
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I was raised thinking that not only do you have to be saved, but you have to actively ask for forgiveness for every sin. Is this not true?
Would you consider it a "choice" if I asked you to get me a coffee, but told you if you didn't I'd light you ablaze? Or asked you to believe in me? That seems more like a subtle sort of command to me.
Ok.. your basically right but your also tying in two different things, the act of forgiveness and eternal damnation.. they are two seperate things

Eternal Damnation is reserved for those who have heard of Jesus Christ, and turned away from Him. However, Once you have been Saved you are going to Heavan and Damnation is out of the picture.

Now as far as forgiveness goes. I know I sound like a broken record on this but it's true, the relationship between a person and is like the relationship between a child and his father. When you are born again in Christ it is like being Born into someones family. When you do good as a child you get rewarded by your father, when you screw up you get punished and when you ask for forgiveness you are given it.

The way it works in Christ is, when you do good, you are rewarded for it, when you mess up, you will be punished for it and when you ask for forgiveness you will be given it. Now, how can you expect to get forgiveness for something unless you ask for it? Unlike your earthly father, forgiveness from Christ doesn't come with a long speach or having to wax his boat first... you ask it, and you get it, it's that simple. Well, if your Baptist its like that, Catholics have to recite poems or something :P

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So does Jesus represent the rational side of ? and guy in the sky represents the "i'll cut your off" ?(sorry, facetious, but not malicious).
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Well, Jesus came as the savior (this time) but the Bible says next time He comes to earth, in all honesty, we wont want to see Him. Kinda like when I tell my kids to clean their room.. I holler at them from the living room "Hey go clean your room" (like in the old testiment) then I realize they aren't going to do it so I sit down with them, explain what each one has to do(Like Jesus in the new testiment) (one gets clothes, the other gets toys, one does beds the other gets the closet and so on and so forth till I run outa kids) and I'm really nice and give them hugs, but I tell them "When I come back, that room better be clean!" then after x amount of time I come back and whoever has done their part gets to leave and go play outside and whoever has been slacking off/totally ignoring me gets the whuppin stick (armageddon)


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gave man reason and understanding, why not explain himself? What's the purpose of being so vague? I prefer honesty and clarity, so it's frustrating for me to try to figure out what some deity meant when I see no reason for him not just explaining it to us.
The truth is, it really is Clearly explained in the Bible, it's just that the Bible has two problems 1. it's written in old english and we can't really understand that and 2 it's a couple thousand pages long. Today we have a problem with wanting everything now now now, getting a hamburger cooked for us wasn't fast enough, now we have to get them from a drive through, the stove took too long so we have microwaves, instant coffee, frozen dinners, cliff notes, HOV lanes... everyones in such a hurry to get everything now now now that we dont have time to take to really learn and understand things like that.

however... thats where the Church comes in, you go and get different excerpts 'laid out on the table' for you every sunday/wednesday. Forget the Hypocracy your not there for the Hypocrits.. you are there for you and . Let worry about who's showing up with hangover, you worry about you.



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Broken down into fine enough details, into a general enough sense, on some sort of foundation(an ultimate truth perhaps), I think it may be possible to see all actions/happenings in an objective form. This would leave no grey area. Of course when looking at things in a direct, superficial sense it may appear to be complex, but I think true understanding could show it's structure is quite simple.
The problem with this is, who is the judge that decides the rule by which to govern?

It would be cool if we could go by the golden rule "Be excellent to each other" but one mans honest idea of "good" is another mans depravity.. take musical taste for example.
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So then you are not the biblical scholar making your own interpretation?

Biblical scholar is being used loosely towards anyone who reads the bible. I of course would be a biblical scholar as well and I am definetly bending towards what I want to be evangelical about.
Okay, here are some notes marked in green so as to clarify what it was exactly that I was saying:

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I think the age of the earth has a huge part to do with anything.*Basically making an allusion to Ramius' statements (See post #126) regarding the actual age of the earth and his thinking it was not that highly important.* Although, ones biblical scholars will make their own interpretations that will bend towards whatever they want to evangelize.*Effectively, in my opinion, but underhandedly taking a shot at those who hold the bible as valid and holy text. The reason I say this is because of the obvious negative connotations associated with your choice of words, at least in the eyes of atheists, agnosts and other various skeptics. Perhaps I look too deeply :dontknow: . Do excuse the over-analysis :icon_bigg *
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Ok.. your basically right but your also tying in two different things, the act of forgiveness and eternal damnation.. they are two seperate things
Eternal Damnation is reserved for those who have heard of Jesus Christ, and turned away from Him. However, Once you have been Saved you are going to Heavan and Damnation is out of the picture.

Now as far as forgiveness goes. I know I sound like a broken record on this but it's true, the relationship between a person and is like the relationship between a child and his father. When you are born again in Christ it is like being Born into someones family. When you do good as a child you get rewarded by your father, when you screw up you get punished and when you ask for forgiveness you are given it.

The way it works in Christ is, when you do good, you are rewarded for it, when you mess up, you will be punished for it and when you ask for forgiveness you will be given it. Now, how can you expect to get forgiveness for something unless you ask for it? Unlike your earthly father, forgiveness from Christ doesn't come with a long speach or having to wax his boat first... you ask it, and you get it, it's that simple. Well, if your Baptist its like that, Catholics have to recite poems or something :P
Okay, so you don't have to ask for forgiveness for every sin once you are saved? and you can still go to Heaven? But you get rewards for asking for forgiveness?
What do you mean by "heard of Jesus Christ"? Does that include those who heard and just don't believe, or is there not such a thing in the bible's view? Or does it refer to those who turn away from their beliefs for other reasons, like money, and mental comfort? Can really be so callous as to eternally people who are skeptical for rational reasons like science and history provides? Are scientists really just the devil in disguise, trying to ruin our salvation?

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Well, Jesus came as the savior (this time) but the Bible says next time He comes to earth, in all honesty, we wont want to see Him. Kinda like when I tell my kids to clean their room.. I holler at them from the living room "Hey go clean your room" (like in the old testiment) then I realize they aren't going to do it so I sit down with them, explain what each one has to do(Like Jesus in the new testiment) (one gets clothes, the other gets toys, one does beds the other gets the closet and so on and so forth till I run outa kids) and I'm really nice and give them hugs, but I tell them "When I come back, that room better be clean!" then after x amount of time I come back and whoever has done their part gets to leave and go play outside and whoever has been slacking off/totally ignoring me gets the whuppin stick (armageddon)
It's understandable to try to discipline your child and teach them to do what is right, but where is the lesson in eternal damnation? I mean, what's the point in learning something if you can never improve your situation? It's punishment to the scariest, most deep reaching level of fear imaginable, and that's where a lot of my issues lie with the bible. I think a lot of christians primary motivation for believing is being scared into it as a child. many years down the road after they've already reinforced their beliefs and covered up that fear with a blanket of love, it's understandable that they might not even remember being scared of , but I know from personal experience that was my primary motivation in 'trying' to believe.

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The truth is, it really is Clearly explained in the Bible, it's just that the Bible has two problems 1. it's written in old english and we can't really understand that and 2 it's a couple thousand pages long. Today we have a problem with wanting everything now now now, getting a hamburger cooked for us wasn't fast enough, now we have to get them from a drive through, the stove took too long so we have microwaves, instant coffee, frozen dinners, cliff notes, HOV lanes... everyones in such a hurry to get everything now now now that we dont have time to take to really learn and understand things like that.

however... thats where the Church comes in, you go and get different excerpts 'laid out on the table' for you every sunday/wednesday. Forget the Hypocracy your not there for the Hypocrits.. you are there for you and . Let worry about who's showing up with hangover, you worry about you.
Some things may be explained clearly in the bible, but the majority of things seem to be vague and mysterious to me. They mention a war between some nations, etc. etc. happening before Revelations, and look how many people find different scenarios that match exactly that and prophecize doomsday. It's vagueness that leads to this. If really wanted people to believe and to know he existed he could do it easily, so what's the point in this Test of faith? Where does faith come from? How is it acquired whenever you don't have any? You said struggles help build your faith, so i guess this would be next logical question to that.



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The problem with this is, who is the judge that decides the rule by which to govern?

It would be cool if we could go by the golden rule "Be excellent to each other" but one mans honest idea of "good" is another mans depravity.. take musical taste for example.
Let truth, understanding, and goodness rule. Ethics don't have to be carved in stone to work, but they will never be advanced if people think they already know what's good and bad because the Bible says so.
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Yeah, that is one version of it. I have the entire series of it on DVD. Or DVDs actually. It is a 3 double sided DVD.
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And made the beast of the earth after his kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind: and said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
Gen 1:25,26

(man made after the beasts) And the LORD said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." And out of the ground the LORD formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam ... but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen 2:18-20 (man made before the beasts)

Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female
Gen 7:2

Of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark
Gen 6:19

Thou shalt not kill
Exod 20:13

Thus sayeth the LORD of Israel, "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour".
Exod 32:27

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
Exod 20:4

"And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
Exodus 25:18

"Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
Leviticus 25:45-46

"Undo the heavy burdens . . . let the oppressed go free, . . . break every yoke."
Isaiah 58:6

"I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
Ezekiel 24:14

. . . and repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jonah 3:10

"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
Jer 13:14

The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.
James 5:11

Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth
Num 12:3

And Moses was wroth ... And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves"
Num 31:14,17,18

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
Ex 33:11

No man hath seen at any time.
John 1:18

And it came to pass after these things, that did tempt Abraham.
Gen 22:1

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of ; for cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
James 1:13

And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of SEVEN HUNDRED chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand HORSEMEN, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.
2 Sam 10:18

But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians SEVEN THOUSAND men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand FOOTMEN, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.
1 Chron 19:18

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel
1 Chron 21:1

And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah"
2 Sam 24:1

"Behold, I am the Lord, the of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?"
Jeremiah 32:27

And the Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Judges 1:19

Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
2 Sam 6:23

The five sons of Michel the daughter of Saul, whom she bare for Adriel.
2 Sam 21:8

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Prov 4:7

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1 Cor 1:19

Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
Prov 3:13

For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Eccles 1:18

The dead know not any thing, neither have they any more reward.
Eccles 9:5

These shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous unto life eternal.
Matt 25:46

So came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS of famine come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee?
II Samuel 24:13

So came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS of famine or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
Matt 25:46

Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.
Isa 14:21

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Deut 24:16

And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2 Kings 2:11

No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man.
John 3:13

Jesus .. the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Luke 3:23

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus.
Matt 1:16

And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
Luke 2:39

When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod.
Matt 2:14,15

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Matt 12:30

And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Luke 9:50

Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26

The word which sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ.
Acts 10:36

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Matthew 10:34

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
Mark 15:25

About the sixth hour ... they cried out, "Away with him, away with him, crucify him".
John 19:14,15

I and my Father are one.
John 10:30

(Christ equal to ) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

(Christ less than )
Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Acts 1:18

And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field.
Matt 27:5-7

In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
Matt 5:16

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secert. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matt 6:3-4

For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works.
Ephesians 2:8,9

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
James 2:24

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My , my , why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Matt.27:46,50

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
John19:30
What was that about?
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No No, great work on your part there. I definetly put in context as to be a bit synical. Obviously I would side with you and your rational approach to understanding the Bible. This is the kind of person I am as well but, I do like to poke fun at those who take it a bit literal. :icon_bigg
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No No, great work on your part there. I definetly put in context as to be a bit synical. Obviously I would side with you and your rational approach to understanding the Bible. This is the kind of person I am as well but, I do like to poke fun at those who take it a bit literal. :icon_bigg
I did sense a bit of cynicism...
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you know, cajun, for someone who so prided themselves on their objectivity in past threads, it's strange to me that you would believe the Bible. i'm still very curious to hear what it is that made you "faithful".
it's too bad your objectivity can find no ground on this argument that's largely based on morality and human behavior, but I still think you'd be able to participate in Bible related questions, or do you not know much about it?
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you know, cajun, for someone who so prided themselves on their objectivity in past threads, it's strange to me that you would believe the Bible. i'm still very curious to hear what it is that made you "faithful".
it's too bad your objectivity can find no ground on this argument that's largely based on morality and human behavior, but I still think you'd be able to participate in Bible related questions, or do you not know much about it?
Sorry to disappoint. Now as far as my belief's on the Bible, I do have questions. This is based on the history of the text and certain dynamics regarding the cannonization and institution of the Bible as a single work. I actually consider myself pretty objective and you should be able to vouch for that based on the fact that there have been numerous times where even yourself and I have been in agreement on certain things in past threads.
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