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Old 01-30-2013, 08:47 PM   #21
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I've decided back roads are not the place to be "teaching" advanced techniques. That is best at the track.

LOL when we tried splitting our groups by experience this board just about had a coniption fit. Turned everything into track vs back roads.

I pretty much started the thread 4 years ago. It was a rehash I'm sure.

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Can't say I'm surprised at hearing how MHers have taken to the organized group ride thing in the past. Sounds like guys treated it like lining up who gets to pee first based on size.

It's just like gathering of any sort - the bigger the group, the worse the politics. I've seen this in church groups, student associations, RC clubs, neighbors, etc.

When I used to ride years ago, the groups I rode with always started out small. At first, everybody in it were just glad there were somebody to ride with. New guy expresses interest, and the whole gang focuses on roping the noob in and getting him up to speed so we might get one more riding buddy. Then at some point, the groups gets too big and naturally splits up.

That was before the Interweb and online forums though. Everybody met face to face so spitting vitriol was rare. On MH, that seems to be the daily norm.
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Can't say I'm surprised at hearing how MHers have taken to the organized group ride thing in the past. Sounds like guys treated it like lining up who gets to pee first based on size.

It's just like gathering of any sort - the bigger the group, the worse the politics. I've seen this in church groups, student associations, RC clubs, neighbors, etc.

When I used to ride years ago, the groups I rode with always started out small. At first, everybody in it were just glad there were somebody to ride with. New guy expresses interest, and the whole gang focuses on roping the noob in and getting him up to speed so we might get one more riding buddy. Then at some point, the groups gets too big and naturally splits up.

That was before the Interweb and online forums though. Everybody met face to face so spitting vitriol was rare. On MH, that seems to be the daily norm.

Actually it wasn't the politics as much as us trying to organize 40+ bikes on a weekly basis. Everybody wants to learn but some are fast and take off. So we try to group riders together based on experience but that was very similar to "trackday" setup. So then the fast guys go and burn a road then the almost fast guys blow through. By the time the noobs get there the cops pull over the slow group because they are on crotchmissles.

I dont think we should be teaching on backroads either. Imagine your noob strays over the white line in the forest careens a ditch and breaks his back on a pine tree in the forest. You get to explain to his family you were trying to practice body position.
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I think I've been on three motohouston.com organized group rides and they weren't pretty. First was hooking up with the sunday ride out near brazos bend. Was about 15 people. Had my Tuono topped out at 155ish and still got left behind. Way behind. Gave up after about 20 minutes and went home. Second was a ride out near Livingston. A guy went down in front of me and I came 6 inches from running over his head. Third was the Galveston ride. Before we even left the parking lot a guy tried a rolling burnout and the rear tire hooked up. Bike went airborne and he was laying on his back hating life. There is just something about sportbikes, egos, and strangers that don't mix well.
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I think I've been on three motohouston.com organized group rides and they weren't pretty. First was hooking up with the sunday ride out near brazos bend. Was about 15 people. Had my Tuono topped out at 155ish and still got left behind. Way behind. Gave up after about 20 minutes and went home. Second was a ride out near Livingston. A guy went down in front of me and I came 6 inches from running over his head. Third was the Galveston ride. Before we even left the parking lot a guy tried a rolling burnout and the rear tire hooked up. Bike went airborne and he was laying on his back hating life. There is just something about sportbikes, egos, and strangers that don't mix well.
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Third was the Galveston ride. Before we even left the parking lot a guy tried a rolling burnout and the rear tire hooked up. Bike went airborne and he was laying on his back hating life.
I was at that one if it was at the Hooters/Home Depot lot on I-45. This stunter pulls up just as we're gearing up to leave. He hits the rev limiter, pops the clutch and lands on his , right in front of everyone.
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No one ever called me an "OG" Gnome. Cali labeled me a Gnome in a list posted on one of his rides. What was your MH name before you became Bald 'n Gay?
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Instead of hijacking grsa's thread, I figure I'd better create a separate one.

Group rides can be safer and helpful to noobs if it can be structured more like the track day groups: A, B, and C.

On the several SMRs I rode in, what I find is that when I rode near the front with the "big boys", I could keep up just fine in the corners, but most of the guys like to go bonsai on the straights too, which I'd rather not. So I drop back to the tail, where a lot of the noobs carry no confidence in the corners, so they slow way down. Then they go 100mph in the straight trying to catch up. This causes a lot of safety issues and fundamentally teaches the noobs the wrong concepts.

Ideally, The should be 3 groups for these larger organized rides, like PP46 from Sugar land:

A: Out riders who just like to go fast. Period. Write your own rules, or ignore as many.

B: Seasoned riders who don't care to go -out, but rather ride at the proverbial "The Pace". Maintaining momentum through the corners/sweepers, but moderate speed on the straights for the slower riders to catch up and the pack to regroup & stay tight. Passing is allowed, though discouraged.

C: Beginners only. Lead rider tows the ducklings at posted speed limit and takes corners at speeds appropriate for noobs. Mostly to acclimate new riders to riding in a pack and following the line. Passing is strictly prohibited.

If I know the route well enough, I wouldn't mind leading the B or C group. So far, I haven't ridden the PP46 enough times not to get lost.

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That's how we used to always run the bigger forest rides. I assumed they still did.
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Most forest rides arent posted anymore. No need to alert the public where we will be and when.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this?
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I agree! Group rides are GROUP rides! Just always get one or two, or more, machismo peeps. No worries. I miss them, to some degree.... but I miss the track more at the moment!!






Would it be appropriate to post that now infamous group ride/proposal video here?
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What video are you talking about?
It was posted on here days ago, where 200+ bikes shut down a major highway by stopping on the highway.
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