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Old 01-30-2013, 05:41 PM   #1
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Instead of hijacking grsa's thread, I figure I'd better create a separate one.

Group rides can be safer and helpful to noobs if it can be structured more like the track day groups: A, B, and C.

On the several SMRs I rode in, what I find is that when I rode near the front with the "big boys", I could keep up just fine in the corners, but most of the guys like to go bonsai on the straights too, which I'd rather not. So I drop back to the tail, where a lot of the noobs carry no confidence in the corners, so they slow way down. Then they go 100mph in the straight trying to catch up. This causes a lot of safety issues and fundamentally teaches the noobs the wrong concepts.

Ideally, The should be 3 groups for these larger organized rides, like PP46 from Sugar land:

A: Out riders who just like to go fast. Period. Write your own rules, or ignore as many.

B: Seasoned riders who don't care to go -out, but rather ride at the proverbial "The Pace". Maintaining momentum through the corners/sweepers, but moderate speed on the straights for the slower riders to catch up and the pack to regroup & stay tight. Passing is allowed, though discouraged.

C: Beginners only. Lead rider tows the ducklings at posted speed limit and takes corners at speeds appropriate for noobs. Mostly to acclimate new riders to riding in a pack and following the line. Passing is strictly prohibited.

If I know the route well enough, I wouldn't mind leading the B or C group. So far, I haven't ridden the PP46 enough times not to get lost.

Thoughts?
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:43 PM   #2
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Going to combine yours and senators ideas on my next version. Good stuff
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Kinda like the old Forest Gnome rides...

We had our written stuff/rules out on the first posts if you search the event section for "forest gnome."

Maybe give some ideas on what to expect on the ride etc.

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Instead of hijacking grsa's thread, I figure I'd better create a separate one.

Group rides can be safer and helpful to noobs if it can be structured more like the track day groups: A, B, and C.

On the several SMRs I rode in, what I find is that when I rode near the front with the "big boys", I could keep up just fine in the corners, but most of the guys like to go bonsai on the straights too, which I'd rather not. So I drop back to the tail, where a lot of the noobs carry no confidence in the corners, so they slow way down. Then they go 100mph in the straight trying to catch up. This causes a lot of safety issues and fundamentally teaches the noobs the wrong concepts.

Ideally, The should be 3 groups for these larger organized rides, like PP46 from Sugar land:

A: Out riders who just like to go fast. Period. Write your own rules, or ignore as many.

B: Seasoned riders who don't care to go -out, but rather ride at the proverbial "The Pace". Maintaining momentum through the corners/sweepers, but moderate speed on the straights for the slower riders to catch up and the pack to regroup & stay tight. Passing is allowed, though discouraged.

C: Beginners only. Lead rider tows the ducklings at posted speed limit and takes corners at speeds appropriate for noobs. Mostly to acclimate new riders to riding in a pack and following the line. Passing is strictly prohibited.

If I know the route well enough, I wouldn't mind leading the B or C group. So far, I haven't ridden the PP46 enough times not to get lost.

Thoughts?
Good idea for sure. But it always come to the same point, if someone wants to ride in group A or B and you don't really know there riding abilities, you can only advise them.....at the end of the day they ride their own ride and if they decide to ride over their heads ,not much you can do about it......
I am starting to think that out rides need to be private only, and only to prevent someone you don't know to get hurt
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These are not new concepts or ideas, guys...

The problem is the consistency and follow through of what is posted.


Period.


We can talk about it till we are blue in the face and it still will remain, noobs or people that don't think they are noobs won't be completely honest about their abilities, it's up to the leaders to notice and adjust.

I dunno....
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Understood. I'm relatively new to MH so I don't know the history. My experience from years ago is that it only work in smaller groups, typically 3-5, and for sure no more than 7-8. Any larger, and it turns into Ride of The Century kinda nonsense, which I want no part of.
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No so TMAX can smoke me. Im slow too. See this is turning stupid. No harm done.

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Group Ride Ideas

See my post in gsra's thread.



And yes, leave the FAST rides to private invite only. That's how it turned into back in the day (again, see my post in other thread). I guess that's what you BORC'd riders are for!?!
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These are not new concepts or ideas, guys...

The problem is the consistency and follow through of what is posted.


Period.


We can talk about it till we are blue in the face and it still will remain, noobs or people that don't think they are noobs won't be completely honest about their abilities, it's up to the leaders to notice and adjust.

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Your right there. If you post a ride take ownership and have everyone show the license, insurance, ice. Some of that will at least save time if the group is stopped.
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