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Old 01-30-2013, 01:43 PM   #21
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My name is Daniel, and I have used my back brake. Not all the time and not usually when I'm out on back roads, but I have used it. Honestly I will probably use it again. I am a repeat offender.
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I tell you what, when I rode street, on ANY type of bike.. I used the rear brake




....when coming to stops at lights/stop signs, or when cruising around casually. Figure I'd use up the rear pads instead of wasting $150/pair front Vesrah pads. In the 5 years I owned my K7 Gixxer, I went through like 3 or 4 pair of front pads, and finally installed brand new rear pads right before I sold it.

I didn't use them on the track, unless I ran off (which didn't happen too often). Also did not use them on my spirited rides on back roads. Again, you ride your ride, I'll ride mine.
I had a bike that had no rear pads at all. I never missed them.
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My name is Daniel, and I have used my back brake. Not all the time and not usually when I'm out on back roads, but I have used it. Honestly I will probably use it again. I am a repeat offender.
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i use it more because i brake slide with it on the ruckus...basically I brake, slide, point, gas...steering with a controlled skid. it's like backing it in, but it's not really backing it in.

just like when i was a child on the coaster brake.
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i use it more because i brake slide with it on the ruckus...basically I brake, slide, point, gas...steering with a controlled skid.

just like when i was a child on the coaster brake.
used to do that on my MX bikes. Clutch in, revving like a mother, kick the rear around, pop the clutch. Roost the out of anyone behind me.
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I use my rear brake for several reasons.

1. I can keep my hands off and rest my back while rolling up to a light.

2. Save front pads for track.

3. Comin in hot and i need more than front brake.
If I am braking HARD, my rear tire is unweighted to the point that my rear brake would do nothing but lock up with the slightest touch.
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Just the past few weeks?? Man, he's been stirring that pot for a LOT longer than a few weeks!! Neil is just entertaining enough that I don't add him to my Blocked List, which has zero people.
I try my best to see no evil and hear no evil. That way, I tend not to speak evil and get myself in trouble.

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My fiddy has the same rear drum brake as a scooter. So is my fiddy the same as a big sport bike?????
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How are you supposed to see who can leave the longest skid mark at red lights if you don't use the back brake?
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Based on Twist Of The Wrist II "The Book" States..

"Rear Brake
It is my recommendation that you master using only the front brake
except when riding in slippery conditions. Locking the back brake also puts
the bike out of control. The rear wheel, spinning, provides the vast majority
of stability for the bike from the steering head back. In other words,
everything but the front-end is kept stable by the gyro force of the spinning
rear wheel.
The obvious mathematics of the situation are that the front wheel
can do 100 percent of the braking and the back at that point just locks up
no matter who you are. Learn to totally rely on the front brake for quick,
clean stopping; then, if you still have a use for the rear, go ahead and use
it. But realize that the rear brake is the source of a huge number of
crashes both on and off the track. I'll leave the final decision up to you.
While it is true for most riders that a motorcycle will come to a full stop
quicker with both brakes applied, in racing, you don't come to a full stop
until you're done."

Keith Code's California Superbike School teaches NEW RIDERS to use the front brake ONLY before they even get on the track. They say, they get the rider comfortable using the front brake going about 100 or so ft at 25mph stopping only using FRONT BRAKE, to get the over the ENDO feeling effect, to use correct applied pressure for front braking.
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Based on Twist Of The Wrist II "The Book" States..

"Rear Brake
It is my recommendation that you master using only the front brake
except when riding in slippery conditions. Locking the back brake also puts
the bike out of control. The rear wheel, spinning, provides the vast majority
of stability for the bike from the steering head back. In other words,
everything but the front-end is kept stable by the gyro force of the spinning
rear wheel.
The obvious mathematics of the situation are that the front wheel
can do 100 percent of the braking and the back at that point just locks up
no matter who you are. Learn to totally rely on the front brake for quick,
clean stopping; then, if you still have a use for the rear, go ahead and use
it. But realize that the rear brake is the source of a huge number of
crashes both on and off the track. I'll leave the final decision up to you.
While it is true for most riders that a motorcycle will come to a full stop
quicker with both brakes applied, in racing, you don't come to a full stop
until you're done."

Keith Code's California Superbike School teaches NEW RIDERS to use the front brake ONLY before they even get on the track. They say, they get the rider comfortable using the front brake going about 100 or so ft at 25mph stopping only using FRONT BRAKE, to get the over the ENDO feeling effect, to use correct applied pressure for front braking.
Exactly my point..... good find my friend!
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Based on Twist Of The Wrist II "The Book" States..

"Rear Brake
It is my recommendation that you master using only the front brake
except when riding in slippery conditions. Locking the back brake also puts
the bike out of control. The rear wheel, spinning, provides the vast majority
of stability for the bike from the steering head back. In other words,
everything but the front-end is kept stable by the gyro force of the spinning
rear wheel.
The obvious mathematics of the situation are that the front wheel
can do 100 percent of the braking and the back at that point just locks up
no matter who you are. Learn to totally rely on the front brake for quick,
clean stopping; then, if you still have a use for the rear, go ahead and use
it. But realize that the rear brake is the source of a huge number of
crashes both on and off the track. I'll leave the final decision up to you.
While it is true for most riders that a motorcycle will come to a full stop
quicker with both brakes applied, in racing, you don't come to a full stop
until you're done."

Keith Code's California Superbike School teaches NEW RIDERS to use the front brake ONLY before they even get on the track. They say, they get the rider comfortable using the front brake going about 100 or so ft at 25mph stopping only using FRONT BRAKE, to get the over the ENDO feeling effect, to use correct applied pressure for front braking.
Saw this first hand while sweeping on Sunday. The rider's entry speed was too hot and rather than use the engine and/or front brake to slow down, she panicked. Slammed the the rear brake, stood the bike straight up and lost the rear. And that's all she wrote.
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Saw this first hand while sweeping on Sunday. The rider's entry speed was too hot and rather than use the engine and/or front brake to slow down, she panicked. Slammed the the rear brake, stood the bike straight up and lost the rear. And that's all she wrote.
Not a good feeling when you lose the on corner entry.

Pucker moment!!
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Based on Twist Of The Wrist II "The Book" States..

"Rear Brake
It is my recommendation that you master using only the front brake
except when riding in slippery conditions. Locking the back brake also puts
the bike out of control. The rear wheel, spinning, provides the vast majority
of stability for the bike from the steering head back. In other words,
everything but the front-end is kept stable by the gyro force of the spinning
rear wheel.
The obvious mathematics of the situation are that the front wheel
can do 100 percent of the braking and the back at that point just locks up
no matter who you are. Learn to totally rely on the front brake for quick,
clean stopping; then, if you still have a use for the rear, go ahead and use
it. But realize that the rear brake is the source of a huge number of
crashes both on and off the track. I'll leave the final decision up to you.
While it is true for most riders that a motorcycle will come to a full stop
quicker with both brakes applied, in racing, you don't come to a full stop
until you're done."

Keith Code's California Superbike School teaches NEW RIDERS to use the front brake ONLY before they even get on the track. They say, they get the rider comfortable using the front brake going about 100 or so ft at 25mph stopping only using FRONT BRAKE, to get the over the ENDO feeling effect, to use correct applied pressure for front braking.
we are not talking about motorcycles, we are talking about SCOOTERS.
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Did you get the rights to copy that? in any event good info
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Not a good feeling when you lose the on corner entry.

Pucker moment!!
I saw her go down before it even happened. As soon as i saw those bright break lights come on and her position in that corner I knew she was going down. She was fine and able to ride her bike back home.
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Here's a quote from a PRO rider from "Lessons Learned: 20 Pro Motorcycle Roadracing Riding Tips
A few things to think about at your next track day"

There are 20 tips from this article the one that I quoted from is #18

18. Marco Lucchinelli
USE THE REAR BRAKE

"I took the Ducati Riding Experience racing course at Misano, Italy, a few years ago, and my instructor was 1981 500cc World Champion Marco Lucchinelli. Belying his nickname, Lucky spent time in prison on drug charges and frankly wasn't riding like a man who had beaten racing greats with names such as Roberts and Rossi--or at least their dads. The only memorable advice he gave me was, "You should use the rear brake." When I asked him why, he said, "Because there are two," and then explained how using the rear brake to scrub off unwanted speed mid-corner is safer than adding more front brake pressure."


Read more: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ho...#ixzz2JUIZMaab

At the end of the day, Its ALL UP TO RIDER PREFERENCE.

If you started using the front brake continue using it, if you started using the Rear, continue using it but also try using the front as well.
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