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Old 01-29-2013, 03:35 PM   #21
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Yes A noob ride with only noobs and a couple of experienced riders to sweep and lead a noob pace. The problem arises when the " badasses" show up on a noob ride to form a "fast" group and haul and then you have a noob with a little experience that thinks.. Well I think I should join the fast group. Or you have the fast riders flying past the noobs. just gets crazy.

I have come to realize that posted rides are not my thing anymore.
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This is cool and all but its up to the noobs to actually go. The ones that go down or get lost choose to go on faster pace rides.
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Yes A noob ride with only noobs and a couple of experienced riders to sweep and lead a noob pace. The problem arises when the " badasses" show up on a noob ride to form a "fast" group and haul and then you have a noob with a little experience that thinks.. Well I think I should join the fast group. Or you have the fast riders flying past the noobs. just gets crazy.

I have come to realize that posted rides are not my thing anymore.
then maybe you should quit MH and move back to china or wherever scooters are from..

on a serious note, you are right my friend. and that is what I'm trying to explain in the OP.. I apologize that somehow my communication skills are not so sharp, you have to know me or read between the lines to be able to understand what I'm trying to explain.
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Calling out on all Experienced Riders that Participate on SMRs to combine our power..

Helios called it.

And just for the record, I've put on more NOOB rides than I can remember, even gave away free or half off Track Days for Ride Smart and Fastline. And done my fair share of instructing NOOBs and non-NOOBs at said TDs.
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Also noob rides should be set to two noobs per person and a smaller group.
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exactly, I'm not trying to make instructors out of no one nor myself, just share experience as friendly riders and risks involved with rides and fast rides.. that's all
Ain't that what essentially the forum does?

You might wanna be more specific, or maybe I'm just breaking your , who knows
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This is cool and all but its up to the noobs to actually go. The ones that go down or get lost choose to go on faster pace rides.
Yup, this too, getting harder and harder to get these moons to participate. It always ends up being a bunch of experienced guys with a couple of moons sprinkled in.
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And wait a sec, Helios is fat now?
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I get what Lucar is trying to do here and seriously, i think the good intention is what counts here, i have helped many mh riders to become faster and safer riders on the street. Track days will help a bunch if you already have a few good years of street riding experience, proof of that is our Sunday Riders group....... not too long ago lots of track guys in this forum were giving us about Sunday Rides and take it to the track.... oh well most of our group did just that and were able to make Level 3 in no time, some of them are seriously considering racing and they all went through the CMRA licensing process without a glitch! On the other hand, you have a bunch of noobs that get pressured into doing track days and they stay in level one or two for more than a year without knowing what else to do to improve their skills and get bumped to level 3.

I have been riding the streets for a long time and i am always looking out for noob riders out there, so no matter what people says or tries to argue here, i am willing to help those who wants to learn, as simple as that!
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I have come to realize that posted rides are not my thing anymore.
DUN DUN DUN.........

That's a shame but I can agree with your statement. I've only been on one of your rides, and it was just three of us so not really a group ride. It was smooth and safe though just as it should be.

I tend to roll out solo or with a few people just to not have to make a million stops, and to get back before 11-12 on Sundays.
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From what I've seen in the past, someone forms a noob ride, then all the OP's typical SPORK, BAMF, SNR, NotFast buddies join in and by the time the ride begins, everyone's blowing triple digits except for the designated sweeper and maybe a couple other guys.

Then someone posts a ”Did so-and-so make it home safe? We lost you out there.”
I haven't been on any noob rides lately, but that's pretty much what I've heard.
I believe the only person that had actually done a proper noob ride was Texlurch.
He limited the ride to actual noobs and only noobs.

If you're looking to instruct new riders, I think Chris hit the nail on the head.
No sense in trying to instruct a group of noobs on the street.
Just my opinion, but take it with a grain, I'm bikeless and not even noob status sooo...
Pinball and I used to do a lot of noob rides last year and a half or so. I quit going on group rides because people always felt like they had something to prove, no matter the level of the rider.

As far as the track goes. There are a lot of different ways to get to the track and ride ONE track day. No one is saying you have to become a CMRA racer because you do a track day.

I agree with Helios on the fact that when you state NOOB RIDE and invite a load of NON NOOB RIDERS it turns into a cluster . If you want to do a NOOB ride that is great, limit the experienced guys to the first 3 or 4 and the rest noobs, pretty simple.
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I get what Lucar is trying to do here and seriously, i think the good intention is what counts here, i have helped many mh riders to become faster and safer riders on the street. Track days will help a bunch if you already have a few good years of street riding experience, proof of that is our Sunday Riders group....... not too long ago lots of track guys in this forum were giving us about Sunday Rides and take it to the track....

I have been riding the streets for a long time and i am always looking out for noob riders out there, so no matter what people says or tries to argue here, i am willing to help those who wants to learn, as simple as that!
thank you frank..
the intention is to pass-down-info from rider to rider.. that's all, no formal instructing to people that their bikes cost too much and are not willing to risk at the track, or people that just want to ride in groups because lets admit it, it's fun as .

we can't prevent people from coming to a ride and saying "i've got 3 years of experience" "i've done 5 track days" and ride with us with an unfortunate outcome.. that's why I've posted this thread, please read clearly OP
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thank you frank..
the intention is to pass-down-info from rider to rider.. that's all, no formal instructing to people that their bikes cost too much and are not willing to risk at the track, or people that just want to ride in groups because lets admit it, it's fun as .

we can't prevent people from coming to a ride and saying "i've got 3 years of experience" "i've done 5 track days" and ride with us with an unfortunate outcome.. that's why I've posted this thread, please read clearly OP
I get it. Simply though. The audience you are trying to capture are the ones that feel they need this because they already know it.

Perhaps something to talk about on the already existing rides, so they hear it wether they want to or not, will it get through to their heads, probably not...but just might.
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I get it. Simply though. The audience you are trying to capture are the ones that feel they need this because they already know it.

Perhaps something to talk about on the already existing rides, so they hear it wether they want to or not, will it get through to their heads, probably not...but just might.
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Yes A noob ride with only noobs and a couple of experienced riders to sweep and lead a noob pace. The problem arises when the " badasses" show up on a noob ride to form a "fast" group and haul and then you have a noob with a little experience that thinks.. Well I think I should join the fast group. Or you have the fast riders flying past the noobs. just gets crazy.

I have come to realize that posted rides are not my thing anymore.
I still consider myself a noob to a certain degree. Yes I have been riding for a while; but there are better more accomplished riders on here that I can certainly learn from. I don't necessarily want to learn them on a track, and I don't want to learn them on a ride either. I would rather get instruction and pick their brains so to speak and gather useful knowledge first. Get input from riders that have gone down and what circumstances surrounded it. Pass on the knowledge that they learned to hopefully keep other riders from doing the same. Once I gather all the knowledge then i translate that to the street. At first I avoided group rides because I felt my riding skills just weren't up to par and I didn't want to endanger myself and other riders. After getting some uselful knowledge and tips from other riders I took that on the street and practiced until I felt safe enough to be around other riders. Perfect example, Gary aka Dudewheresmybike, told me about the outside, inside, outside path of travel at Empire Cafe one night. I went out by myself and practiced what he had told me and if it didn't work! I have many questions that I don't want to learn "on the fly"! I am not quite certain; but I think this is what Lucar is trying to get at.
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I get what Lucar is trying to do here and seriously, i think the good intention is what counts here, i have helped many mh riders to become faster and safer riders on the street. Track days will help a bunch if you already have a few good years of street riding experience, proof of that is our Sunday Riders group....... not too long ago lots of track guys in this forum were giving us about Sunday Rides and take it to the track.... oh well most of our group did just that and were able to make Level 3 in no time, some of them are seriously considering racing and they all went through the CMRA licensing process without a glitch! On the other hand, you have a bunch of noobs that get pressured into doing track days and they stay in level one or two for more than a year without knowing what else to do to improve their skills and get bumped to level 3.

I have been riding the streets for a long time and i am always looking out for noob riders out there, so no matter what people says or tries to argue here, i am willing to help those who wants to learn, as simple as that!
I agree with you Franky, we took care of the noobs this past weekend and still had fun
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I still consider myself a noob to a certain degree. Yes I have been riding for a while; but there are better more accomplished riders on here that I can certainly learn from. I don't necessarily want to learn them on a track, and I don't want to learn them on a ride either. I would rather get instruction and pick their brains so to speak and gather useful knowledge first. Get input from riders that have gone down and what circumstances surrounded it. Pass on the knowledge that they learned to hopefully keep other riders from doing the same. Once I gather all the knowledge then i translate that to the street. At first I avoided group rides because I felt my riding skills just weren't up to par and I didn't want to endanger myself and other riders. After getting some uselful knowledge and tips from other riders I took that on the street and practiced until I felt safe enough to be around other riders. Perfect example, Gary aka Dudewheresmybike, told me about the outside, inside, outside path of travel at Empire Cafe one night. I went out by myself and practiced what he had told me and if it didn't work! I have many questions that I don't want to learn "on the fly"! I am not quite certain; but I think this is what Lucar is trying to get at.
^^ this post should had been all in bold.. let me ask you openly my friend.. why don't you go to the track to learn this ?? (NOT A TRACK VS STREET QUESTION)
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It doesen't matter what you tell a true noob. It takes a lot of experience to ride on any group ride. Someone will always go down because they don't listen. I would recommend at least 5 years of street riding, and or at least one track day to any noob wanting to ride in a group for 300+ miles on back wood roads. Just my opinion.
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It doesen't matter what you tell a true noob. It takes a lot of experience to ride on any group ride. Someone will always go down because they don't listen. I would recommend at least 5 years of street riding, and or at least one track day to any noob wanting to ride in a group for 300+ miles on back wood roads. Just my opinion.
I'll ride with a noob such as "392" with a year of experience (for example) anytime and any route
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It doesen't matter what you tell a true noob. It takes a lot of experience to ride on any group ride. Someone will always go down because they don't listen. I would recommend at least 5 years of street riding, and or at least one track day to any noob wanting to ride in a group for 300+ miles on back wood roads. Just my opinion.
You usually have quality posts, so I'm not going to harp on you... But 5 years?! Or one track day? To go on a long group ride... That's not feasible.

NOObs should go on group rides, but be honest with the ride hosts and THEMSELVES!! Hang back, near the sweeper, and have an experienced rider follow them and give advice (what I used to do on most rides). You only get experience by riding.
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So would I, he is a level 3, and CMRA racer. Hence the "392"
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