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Old 01-25-2013, 01:59 PM   #41
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Your missing the point. All I'm saying is that any superbike can perform good enough on the street. It takes and skill to get full potential of any of these period. Im obviously a euro brand fan period, but ktm has just as many titles as bmw in superbike, which is zero.
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All Pachuco is saying is that pretty much NOBODY on MotoHouston can "out ride" a 600 class SS!!!!! Much less get near potential of a liter bike or 1190 or whatever!
Trust me, i know a couple of them
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The 09-10 RC8R had a fuleing problem which KTM fixed in 2011 with dual spark and better mapping. Speaking with guys on my RC8R forum, the fueling issue was fixed in the newer models, however KTM "cheaped" them up a bit in order to stay competive with other bike manufacturers. The 09-10 models have forged wheels, powder coated fork tubes, and a few carbon pieces, and that's it. If you like the low end torque of the twin then go with the KTM. 170HP is more than enough! I really enjoy the predictable power delivery of the twin, and will probably never own another I4 again. Adjustable ergos make it more of a track-oriented bike as well. Adjustable sub-frame, pegs, seat height, and bars. As far as design goes, I have to give the nod to the RC8R! The design is so funky and unique you either love it or hate it, I happen to love it! As far as exclusiveness, once again the RC8R gets the nod. You just don't see alot of them on the road. The KTM however; would not make a very good street bike, it's jerky as in slower speeds, of course I only have experience with my 09 and not the newer ones that were corrected. I have had a few minor issues with mine; but nothing major so far. I cannot comment on the BMW because I have never owned or ridden one; but like you it was a toss up between the 2 for me. As fas as out speed and HP, the BMW is going to win that fight. Rider's aids and electronics is another win for the BMW. The BMW seems to be more refined than the KTM. Which ever bike you decide to go with just make sure you have another one in the garage to ride. A little food for thought, Geico has my RC8R in the cruiser class for some reason, so full coverage for me is only $47 a month. Good luck in your decision making process.
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Seriously, anyone giving the performance over looks is full of . None of us on this forum can ride either one of these bikes to their full potential. Unless some world superbike pilot is in here. For what that are used for in houston either is a great bike, so buy the one that speaks to your soul. 20 more horse, mas puto, as if we were qualifying for a gp race. Come on
My RC8R deserves a of a lot better than me. That bike will never see its full potential, at least not with me on it. I would really like to see what a more accomplished rider can do on it.
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Hold off and see if Honda will actually release the RC1000V.

It may be a Honda but will probably be limited supply.
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Just take both and party like a rockstar....
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My RC8R deserves a of a lot better than me. That bike will never see its full potential, at least not with me on it. I would really like to see what a more accomplished rider can do on it.
Go watch Ty run at MSRH in a couple weekends on his! I can't remember if he has the R or Ride Smart, though (392 might know, let him chime in)? Ty will be shooting for a new track record.
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My RC8R deserves a of a lot better than me. That bike will never see its full potential, at least not with me on it. I would really like to see what a more accomplished rider can do on it.
I woul love to swap bikes with you on a ride to get a feel of the raw powa. Tomorrow?
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Go watch Ty run at MSRH in a couple weekends on his! I can't remember if he has the R or Ride Smart, though (392 might know, let him chime in)? Ty will be shooting for a new track record.
I wonder whats the % of stock parts vs aftermarket parts on his KTM?
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looks and somehow exclusivity is nice to have. I do not care all that much about reliability and cheap parts. That is why I have what I have.
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You don't have to be a WSBK rider to tell if the bike is fast or slow, doesn't take much of a skill to open the throttle wide open to measure performance between 2 or 3 bikes.
This reminds me of a conversation I overheard amongst a handful of well-heeled cyclists, whose combined body weight probably exceeded a metric ton, arguing about whose $10,000 hand-laid carbon fibre framed bicycle is faster because it weighs 42 grams less than the others.

The guy who has a Bugatti Veyron is gonna beat the snot out of the guy who has a Lamborghini Aventador. Point well taken.

Rather than all out speed and HP, there are other attributes - no less tangible - of a sportbike that some riders rather enjoy. Attributes that can be appreciated without risking life and limb, or drawing the ire of the Law.
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looks and somehow exclusivity is nice to have. I do not care all that much about reliability and cheap parts. That is why I have what I have.
Agreed

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looks and somehow exclusivity is nice to have. I do not care all that much about reliability and cheap parts. That is why I have what I have.
If you are going to adopt this philosophy then you also have to be prepared to deal with consequences of having a very exclusive and rare superbike! So when I start about parts and maintenance my friends that have bikes tell me to shut the up!
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I wonder whats the % of stock parts vs aftermarket parts on his KTM?
I'm sure we can find out.


Besides, if it's the RC8RS, it comes with everything! The only thing P1 will do will spring/valve it specifically for his weight, if need be (meaning, since Ty works for KTM, he may order it exactly as needed).
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Buying a bike isn't a rational process and there will always be something newer/better/faster. Find the one that talks to you , that you can't help but turn around and look at again when you walk away. When the flaws are simply "character" and you don't care about them-that's the bike for you-it's the one that talks to you. We are really lucky to be riding in a time when they really aren't any "bad' bikes. Good luck with your choice. i've still got my 00 TLR and cant imagine parting with it,ever-it's got a soul all its own. I've also got an original Repsol #369 and every time i've looked at other bikes, the BMW/KTM/Aprilia/and Ducati all, i still end up keeping the Honda-it "talks to me" every time i ride it, street or track, it just puts a smile on my face. Good luck with your purchase, there's no wrong answer!
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