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Old 01-23-2013, 05:44 PM   #41
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From what I remember of the legislation. The duty to show the CHL is still there, but all penatalities have been removed.

So technically you still have to show it, but there is no official penality for not showing the CHL. Of course, the officer can decide not to let you off with a warning.

Personally I always hand over CHL even if i'm not carrying.
I, too, remembered the penalties being removed. Racer X being....well, Racer X...and repeatedly harping on people being WRONG spurred me to look it up. The text of 81(R) HB 410 specifically says that the requirement to produce your CHL was repealed, in addition to saying that a person cannot be punished for failing to show their CHL when asked for ID. Looks like all the bases were covered in one shot.
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I left work later than usual yesterday so I was in a bit of a hurry to run home. It was already dark; I blew past a full grown bear (police SUV) southbound BW8 and didn't even notice. Well, them lights came on and I pulled to the inside median.

Anyway, I had to stand there for 10mins or so in the middle of rush hour traffic, but he let me go with a warning. Don't really know but FWIW here is what I did:

1. Be considerate to the LEO. I had my bike turned off, helmet/gloves off, and insurance paper pulled out before the LEO even got out of the car. I waited till he came up before pulling my wallet out for the license - with my wallet cheek toward him and my hands in his plain sight. Did not want to get him nervous about me reaching into my overpants. Everybody wants to go home to their family - safely.

2. Be apologetic. I told him I am sorry for him to have to pull me over in the middle of 8 lanes of hwy traffic. It was stupid of me to speed but I just wanted to go home. and not miss dinner with my family.

3. Come across as a good rider and law-abiding citizen otherwise. Not only was my bike sporting a dorky top case, it is probably the only SV in Houston that still has the stock rear fender/reflectors - license plate well lit with bright LED, with current inspection sticker right under it. My bike was washed clean; tires nearly new. I was in full riding regalia - leather long jacket, textile overpants, and steel toe cowboy boots. Glasses on - per my license restriction.

4. Seeing that I have CHL, he asked if I was carrying. I answered no, I typically do not on a bike. Just having CHL tells the LEO that this rider has passed criminal and background checks.

I thanked him again. He told me to go with the traffic flow or at the speed limit, but not over, and don't speed just because I'm on a bike. Then he drove off. I was polite; he was professional. Everybody went home happy.

wished others had this menatality....
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Great post, I've done the same, when I got pulled over a couple times, I only received a warning twice... EVER.. I was polite, apologized, and I got the ticket anyway, Dont wanna pull the race card, but sometimes I do forget IM IN TEXAS !!
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I always carry with shoulder rig on the bike.
I am never without the gak, no matter the mode of transportation.
Sorry to hijack, but how does that work? Do you carry an extra large shirt or jacket to conceal the rig?
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...I got the ticket anyway, Dont wanna pull the race card, but sometimes I do forget IM IN TEXAS !!
1. Never forget you're in Texas
2. Try to remember whites, blacks, asians and hispanics are all allowed to become police officers
3. I can think of one nearly fool-proof way to avoid tickets
4. Thank every day for #1.
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I am usually totally calm. It's their job.

I did scream at one, calling him an incompetent mother , piece of , etc.

He clocked a car passing me, and wrote me the ticket WHILE THE OTHER CAR WAITED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, 200FT AHEAD, WAITING FOR THEIR TICKET.

The judge was in disbelief. He threw the ticket out, and the cop lost his job.
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Great post, I've done the same, when I got pulled over a couple times, I only received a warning twice... EVER.. I was polite, apologized, and I got the ticket anyway, Dont wanna pull the race card, but sometimes I do forget IM IN TEXAS !!
I didnt know routers pulled over???
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I left work later than usual yesterday so I was in a bit of a hurry to run home. It was already dark; I blew past a full grown bear (police SUV) southbound BW8 and didn't even notice. Well, them lights came on and I pulled to the inside median.

Anyway, I had to stand there for 10mins or so in the middle of rush hour traffic, but he let me go with a warning. Don't really know but FWIW here is what I did:

1. Be considerate to the LEO. I had my bike turned off, helmet/gloves off, and insurance paper pulled out before the LEO even got out of the car. I waited till he came up before pulling my wallet out for the license - with my wallet cheek toward him and my hands in his plain sight. Did not want to get him nervous about me reaching into my overpants. Everybody wants to go home to their family - safely.

2. Be apologetic. I told him I am sorry for him to have to pull me over in the middle of 8 lanes of hwy traffic. It was stupid of me to speed but I just wanted to go home. and not miss dinner with my family.

3. Come across as a good rider and law-abiding citizen otherwise. Not only was my bike sporting a dorky top case, it is probably the only SV in Houston that still has the stock rear fender/reflectors - license plate well lit with bright LED, with current inspection sticker right under it. My bike was washed clean; tires nearly new. I was in full riding regalia - leather long jacket, textile overpants, and steel toe cowboy boots. Glasses on - per my license restriction.

4. Seeing that I have CHL, he asked if I was carrying. I answered no, I typically do not on a bike. Just having CHL tells the LEO that this rider has passed criminal and background checks.

I thanked him again. He told me to go with the traffic flow or at the speed limit, but not over, and don't speed just because I'm on a bike. Then he drove off. I was polite; he was professional. Everybody went home happy.

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j/k, nice going. Truth be told, most of us just do a job, want for everyone to sing kumbaya and be drug free hippies.
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I really don't expect what I do after getting pulled over will guarantee me from been written up. Fact is, I broke the law and the LEO has every right to issue me a citation. I just feel it's in the best interest of all parties concerned for me to be on my best behavior. Whatever happens... happens. I would've felt like t if I got ticketed, of course, but I would not hold ill will against the LEO.

Of all the times I got pulled over in all different states, NOT ONCE did I feel harassed or "profiled". The LEO had a darn good reason to pull me over on each occasion. Do I believe LEOs sometimes "pick and choose" their customers? Well, let me just say that one time many yrs ago, I walked into the OKC courthouse for my speeding ticket, and I was awestruck by the fact that I had trouble spotting a white face in the very crowded courtroom. Now this was Oklahoma, where there were nowhere near as many blacks, asians, or Latinos as here in Houston. Odd as that might look, bottom line is, if I didn't speed, I would not be standing in that courtroom witnessing this peculiar scenery.

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BTW, I like the way this thread went. I was just wondering about CHL related issue before I left work couple of days ago. I even posted a thread about CCH while riding. Thanks for the replies.
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There is no recipie for success. Everything depends on the individual pulling you over.
Police need to be focused on more important crimes than speeding.....oh yeah....that does not make money.
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It's best to avoid the conversation altogether.

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If you get 2 tickets / year. It'll pay for itself in 2-3 years. I've had my camaro about a year. It's saved my ATLEAST 8 times.
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YEA!!!!!!!!!! MONEY!!!!!!!! DANG PIGS!!!!!!!!!
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Cuz man, it's about money, and got nothin to do with people smearing themselves on the road and killin others and all that. WTF do pigs know anyhow, they just cruise around and eat free food and bust peopels bawls.

Oh, and Blanco...

Traffic accidents are the leading cause of death among people younger than 30. You want cops to catch killers, that's exactly the point.

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Just to be fair, if it is up to the LEOs, they'll rather be making money pulling side jobs, like private security, major events, escorting funerals, cranes, etc. Stuff that actually brings home cash.
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When I used to be assigned to traffic and accident, here was my criteria...

I usually didn't stop anyone for speeding unless they were going 20 over, and I figured at 20 over, they should expect paper. That doesn't mean I always gave them paper, but they had no beef with it if I did.

I tried to cut people a break if they were obviously poor, because it would hit them much harder than someone with money.

If they had crappy attitude, giving them a break was off the table, not because I couldn't handle attitude, but because they needed an impression... If you don't respect the law, maybe you would fear it, which is the next best option.

If they were women and tried to flirt or flash me, they got paper, automatically. I just wondered how many tickets they got off because they did this, and I was going to make up for it. Three fourths of the time this happened, the women would turn into complete , and I would be happy about my choice.

People who admitted it had a much better chance of getting a warning than those who argued about it. I figured if they wanted to argue, I'd give them the chance in the proper venue.

Fact is that the OP did just right by MY operating standards, and would have stood a much better chance of walking than someone who acted otherwise. And it's not because I needed to be patronized, but because the idea is to do the job, show some activity, get people to slow down. And if they're not going to regard a warning with enough respect to change their behavior, take the next step.
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Traffic accidents are the leading cause of death among people younger than 30. You want cops to catch killers, that's exactly the point.
This could be nipped in the with better drivers license regulations. I see all to often people that appear to have forgotten everything they learned in drivers ed. We can blame who ever we want, speeders, drunks, idiots, texters, make up appliers, etc. No matter who we blame, we could be better at preventive measures (better education, better testing, tickets that require retaking of the driving test for idiots that can't merge or run red lights., etc.)

In chronological order, this is what they forget.


1 Before they started they already committed to never learning how to merge without braking.
2 Within days they forget the left lanes are for passing / faster moving traffic.
3 Within weeks they forget to merge at the first sign indicating their lane is ending.
4 Within weeks they also forget there is a safe following distance. Not letting people merge is more important.


If I'm not coming through clear, I'm saying this. In tight traffic, you're not going to have anyone speeding. Maybe an aggressive driver, but not excessive speeding. Someone (sober in a capable vehicle) going 10 or even 15 over on the beltway in low traffic is not a threat to lives in the way officers try to say "speeding causes accidents". Idiots and drunks cause accidents. Speeding gets me from a to b in less time.


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Not true at all. Speed is a major contributor to collision severity, and the ones most likely to be fatal are those in excess of posted speeds.

It's all about kinetic energy, dude. As speed doubles, kinetic energy quadruples.

I've seen far too many autopsies where internal organs exploded to think that it's all drunk drivers and lane changers. Speed kills.

This is the problem with some riders, and honestly is why some cops tend to be hard on sportbikers. You are not immortal, and you cannot beat the odds 100% of the time. No matter what excuses you make for exceeding the speed limit, no matter how you try to rationalize your actions and that it's all the other guy, it's not. Save your speeding for the track.
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You missed my point... I'm not one to argue physics with. I'm saying driving 80 in a straight line is safer than tailgating and slamming on the brakes instead of merging. Maybe you can't merge and I struck a nerve? Sorry bro. But you missed my point. I pay my lawyers when I get tickets. I'll speed where ever I want. Btw, I'm not a biker anymore. Look out for me. I spend a lot of time until the clear lake area.
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You missed my point... I'm not one to argue physics with. I'm saying driving 80 in a straight line is safer than tailgating and slamming on the brakes instead of merging.
I steal from Walmart, but at least I'm not a bank robber...

Not impressed.

EVERYONE who breaks the law justifies it to themselves in some way or another.

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Maybe you can't merge and I struck a nerve? Sorry bro.
No, man, just a little ol' police accident reconstructionist. Personally investigated about 3,000 accidents, not sure, lost count a decade ago. Been certified as expert witness in court, testified in multi-million dollar cases. I teach accident investigation to local cops.

This ain't about me; it's about what's truth and what's not.

Speed is absolutely lethal. Don't say "It's not as dangerous as...", that's just not correct. There are some commonalities among fatal collisions, and speeds involved are definitely in that mix. To say otherwise is stock standard ignorant.

FWIW, I haven't wavered from this in my posts here, at all. I've said on more than one occasion that my wish for people here is for them to slow down, live a long life, grow old. I ride a Harley because I don't feel a need to go fast. Low and slow is just fine with me. 9 out of 10 lethal motorcycle accidents I've ever investigated were sportbikers who were picking 'em up and putting 'em down. Bottom line fact. Out of curiosity, I recently asked some of my cohorts about their impression on the same thing, and got the same answer.

Sure, you pay your lawyer. When you kill someone, how you gonna pay that?
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