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Old 01-15-2013, 04:26 PM   #1
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DPS Policy Regarding Race Instruction - Effective 1/15/2013

So many awesome things I'd like say right now...

Instead I'll just thank Peyton Inge for his legal work. He single handedly accomplish what all the Whistle Blowers (to be PC for MH) and folks "Working Closely with the DPS" couldn't accomplish... he was able to get some sort of boundary with the DPS.

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So "racing" instruction is not subject, but "trackday" instruction is subject because of the intent to improve street riding?
So then all trackday instructors are required to be licensed?


Am I reading that right?...
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just curious since i haven't been following this.

was the idea, that if a person did a trackday, it could be considered like taking the MSF class?
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MSF inst. go thru quite a bit of formal training to become and inst.

what do trackday inst. go thru? recordable and accountable
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So "racing" instruction is not subject, but "trackday" instruction is subject because of the intent to improve street riding?
So then all trackday instructors are required to be licensed?


Am I reading that right?...
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So "racing" instruction is not subject, but "trackday" instruction is subject because of the intent to improve street riding?
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Am I reading that right?...
Yup. Unless they are teaching a class that's exempt based on the new policy that went into effect today.

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just curious since i haven't been following this.

was the idea, that if a person did a trackday, it could be considered like taking the MSF class?
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Ed, your guess is as good as mine as to what this was all about. Well, I have an idea but anyway... As it stands now, all track day instructors teaching techniques that apply to street riding and working for schools that advertise improving riding skills on public roadways are subject to certification. There is no training. Only a background check. If you pass the criminal background check, which includes no felonies or reckless driving convictions (a misdemeanor) then you are herby certified by the great state of Texas to teach folks how to ride a motorcycle. There is no exemption from the driving portion of the exam for M license, like MSF courses provide, but you can get some ticket dismissal and I'm sure insurance discounts if you tried.

You can find the track day schools on the TxDPS website under the motorcycle ATV section ---> training providers.
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Man, that seems like a lot hoops to jump through for the TD orgs...
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yea. but they all did it. They had to.
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yep if they advertise that the instruction they give will improve your public road riding ability, they would have to be cerified... but folks like cdill and whoop who just give race instruction would not have to be certified...the wording is still way too vague imo...
the wording on the bike is too complex too... if the bike is rideable on the street and used at a trackday, it makes it sound like the instructor would be required to be certified, but if the bike were made trackduty only and not legal to ride on the street the instructor would not need to be certified... seems like it still has too many loopholes...but an improvement over what was there...
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IT'S not a better system than say???

hey, "this guy has attended like 20 events in a row and he keeps bringing new people with him to the track....let's make him an instructor" lol
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IT'S not a better system than say???

hey, "this guy has attended like 20 events in a row and he keeps bringing new people with him to the track....let's make him an instructor" lol
I'd rather have an instructor that's attended 20 events in a row and a convicted felon who is uncertified than one that's attended 1 and has a clean criminal background and certified..

But icwudt.
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I'd rather have an instructor that's attended 20 events in a row and a convicted felon who is uncertified than one that's attended 1 and has a clean criminal background and certified..

But icwudt.
I too think getting DPS involved is just going to cause problems....more regulation, more suprise visits, more of the "hot bike" checking that everyone screams about, more headaches, etc.

btw, it wasn't a jab at anyone in particular....just calling it like I saw in the past, granted it has been a couple of years.
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this all might be tied in to health insurance/motorcycle insurance in some way. some insurance covers you if you are not at a 'timed event' and you can claim the trackday as a safety/learning experience. although this DPS stuff is a PITA for sure, this reinforces an insurers obligation to cover you at a trackday, as you are improving skills. this certification might make it more difficult for people to have coverage denied, which is a plus for trackday riders i think.
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Is it any difference that it kept saying "off-road dirt bike" or is it all the same and I just has the dumz?

Still don't like this one bit, hope something gets worked out where they just completely have nothing to do with trackdays or track orgs at all. Unless a track org chooses to do it, but I doubt anyone that plans on attending more than one trackday will be at all impressed with some DPS certification. #aintnobobygottimeforthat
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The way I read it, if the bikes are not street legal and the instruction is in the context of racing, then Chapter 662 does not apply.
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that is sort of how i see it Bevo, and as to insurance, i think this actually makes it easier for an insurance company to deny you coverage if you go down on a trackday
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that is sort of how i see it Bevo, and as to insurance, i think this actually makes it easier for an insurance company to deny you coverage if you go down on a trackday
If it's a DPS certified track day that offers instruction in the context of improved street riding on street legal bikes then I would think insurance would be more apt to cover and may even offer discounts on your premium. Trooper (Glen) would know.
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Man, that seems like a lot hoops to jump through for the TD orgs...
Either a lot, or none depending on what your target market is. As long as you don't claim that you improve street riding skills and your classes are "race skill" classes, none of the above applies.

A track org can choose to go either way.
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