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Old 02-19-2007, 10:39 PM   #41
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The water company in Waco was charging my grandparents almost $300 / mo. for water for several years before they died. My parents got their last water bill after they died, and were like WTF?

I think they just hike up charges on folks sometimes and if they pay and keep paying, the Co. keeps charging.
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The water company in Waco was charging my grandparents almost $300 / mo. for water for several years before they died. My parents got their last water bill after they died, and were like WTF?

I think they just hike up charges on folks sometimes and if they pay and keep paying, the Co. keeps charging.
Are you serious? Do you honestly think a major corporation like Gexa would/could do that?
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Waco Municipal was doing it
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Waco Municipal was doing it
There was probably a misunderstanding/mistake/technical error/mechanical error... there is no way a Municipality can get away with that. If you're so adamant they are, why don't you and your parents take action against them and get reimbursed?
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There was probably a misunderstanding/mistake/technical error/mechanical error... there is no way a Municipality can get away with that. If you're so adamant they are, why don't you and your parents take action against them and get reimbursed?

Got reimbursed, for a pretty tidy sum.

They were doing it to other folks in town also. There was an article about it in the paper there in '02 a few people got canned because of it.
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Also, I highly doubt you have electric heat... it's pretty rare. You most likely have gas heat which is not included in your electric bill.
we have an elec. heater. it sucks! electricity!!!!!

steve o, details on the OMR meters? cost? if it'll help keep a more accurate bill, i'm all for it.
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we just got a bill for $550,that covers them not reading the meter for dec & jan. and estimating for feb.

basiclly my elec. is nearly $300 a mos.

in outside sales, that MPG is gonna killa ya.
yeah....that was a real killer cause at best it gets 19 mpg.........and i drive about 110~ miles per day
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in your job position, it's really a good idea to get a sensible veh. that gets good MPG.

or lease it. write it off.
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Let me shed some light on this for you guys... I have 5 years in the energy industry. :icon_bigg

Paul, you mentioned you switched 'from Centerpoint.'

Well, you can't swtich from them... Centerpoint (CNP) is the TDSP (Transmission and Distribution Service Provider). They read the meters and report their readings to the REP (Retail Electric Providers: ie, Reliant, Gexa, TXU). No matter which REP you have, CNP is going to read the meters.

In the past few months CNP has been increasing the amount of estimated reads they have been generating. What that means is that they don't read the meters. They will base their estimates off of historical usage for that meter and some other variables. Many times they will unde-restimate the reads.

Let's say you actually USED 2000kwh during January, but CNP estimated your read at 1000kwh. They send that 1000kwh estimate to Gexa who would then send you a bill for 1000kwh right? Well, next month you used 2000kwh again, but this time CNP decides to come out and do an actual reading. But since your bill was under estimated, they will read your meter which will indicate that you used 3000kwh. Still with me? It's because they are essentially doing a 'catch up' read. This is more than likely why your bill is so high. If this is your first bill in your new place, I would get on the phone with Gexa right away. If the previous reads were under estimated then this catch up read could be inclusive of some usage that the previous tenants accumulated.

If you're totally confused, please feel free to PM me and I'll send you my number so we can talk about it...

Also, I highly doubt you have electric heat... it's pretty rare. You most likely have gas heat which is not included in your electric bill.

One last note, some people have OMR meters (you can get them installed for a small fee)... they are meters that are remotely read. The Meter Reader doesn't have to go up to your house. We generally recommend them for those individuals have access problems such as dogs, gates and other restrictions that would prevent the meter reader from gaining access to your meters.

Hope this helps guys and gals...

EDIT: one more thing to what witchdoctor said about bad meters. Meters virtually NEVER run fast... when they go bad, they always stop or slow down.

yes....this was my first bill with them. so i can see the catchup you were talking about.....
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in your job position, it's really a good idea to get a sensible veh. that gets good MPG.

or lease it. write it off.
civic hx coupe ftw......38 mpg...and its paid off.

but i still miss the s2k...
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Last winter, my electricity bill doubled within one month when it got cold. I average $40 in summer and $90 in winter and it had jumped to $190. I live in an apartment so I actually went out to the meter, wrote down the number and checked it daily from then on. I found out that having the heater on uses the most electricity. Forget TV and stuff. I turned my heater down by 5 then 10 degrees (had to get used to it but finally kept it around 62-65F in the apt, brrr).

See if you can find your meter and start checking it daily. You'll see if you average 30 or 100 units per day. Go from there and see where you can save.
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Dennis, we live in a regulated part of TX... we have Entergy and have no choice of which REP we want. Entergy has very low rates. :icon_bigg My house is 2300sq/ft and my biggest electric bill has been around $175.
I have Reliant Energy. Is that the same company?
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[QUOTE=Steve O Chap] In the past few months CNP has been increasing the amount of estimated reads they have been generating. What that means is that they don't read the meters. They will base their estimates off of historical usage for that meter and some other variables. Many times they will unde-restimate the reads. [QUOTE]

THAT IS SOME MAJOR BS!!!!!!
I pay overpriced energy costs to allow them to guesstimate what my bill should be? Totally !!! Is this typical in apartments where people move in and out all the time? How could you get an estimate? People have different lifestyles so it doesn't make sense to me?:eh:
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THAT IS SOME MAJOR BS!!!!!!
I pay overpriced energy costs to allow them to guesstimate what my bill should be? Totally !!! Is this typical in apartments where people move in and out all the time? How could you get an estimate? People have different lifestyles so it doesn't make sense to me?:eh:
I agree. If they're over-estimating on purpose then they are in effect 'borrowing' money from you (without interest).
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They may overestimate but it's generally only 1 month... rarely is it more than that. Therefore the next month they bill you accurately. So over the 2 month time frame you will be billed for your ACCURATE USAGE during those 2 months, however it won't be broken up the way you used it. You still get billed for the same amount of usage.... so they aren't cheating you any.
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We signed up for balanced billing a few years ago. Personally I'd rather have a mediocre bill all year long rather than a high bill in summer and a low one in winter.
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They may overestimate but it's generally only 1 month... rarely is it more than that. Therefore the next month they bill you accurately. So over the 2 month time frame you will be billed for your ACCURATE USAGE during those 2 months, however it won't be broken up the way you used it. You still get billed for the same amount of usage.... so they aren't cheating you any.
yes, but just like Den said, they are essentially borrowing your money without paying you interest. For example, last month my bill came in at 380 some odd dollars (approximately double what it normally is). I called and asked for a re-read and they said 7-10 business days to receive a new statement. I told the lady that my payment would be late if I had to wait 10 days before they even sent me the bill. She asked me to send the misquoted amount and any money that was overbilled would be credited to my next months bill. I laughed at the b*tch and told her I would call and speak with her supervisor when the late fee showed up on my bill. F*ck fronting money to the electric companies, I have a hard enough time doing that for the government
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yes, but just like Den said, they are essentially borrowing your money without paying you interest. For example, last month my bill came in at 380 some odd dollars (approximately double what it normally is). I called and asked for a re-read and they said 7-10 business days to receive a new statement. I told the lady that my payment would be late if I had to wait 10 days before they even sent me the bill. She asked me to send the misquoted amount and any money that was overbilled would be credited to my next months bill. I laughed at the b*tch and told her I would call and speak with her supervisor when the late fee showed up on my bill. F*ck fronting money to the electric companies, I have a hard enough time doing that for the government
That's not true... if they underestimate your bill, then you underpaid for electricity. The next month, you'll receive a catch up read which will 'true up' the amount owed for the usage you used.

If they overestimate it... you'll underpay the next month. You pay the same no matter what.

Unfortunately the energy company (REP) you have has NO CONTROL... we are bound by law to bill you for what the TDSP sends us. There is no use getting angry at the energy companies, though it is very natural to feel that way.

Who is your REP?
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That's not true... if they underestimate your bill, then you underpaid for electricity. The next month, you'll receive a catch up read which will 'true up' the amount owed for the usage you used.

If they overestimate it... you'll underpay the next month. You pay the same no matter what.

Unfortunately the energy company (REP) you have has NO CONTROL... we are bound by law to bill you for what the TDSP sends us. There is no use getting angry at the energy companies, though it is very natural to feel that way.

Who is your REP?
DBuck - That's why we do balanced billing. No need to worry about this. They reconcile your account like every 6 months. That's when your payment may change. Mine's been at $120/month for a couple years now.
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