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Old 01-03-2013, 09:29 AM   #61
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I'm not saying that at all. Who is "us"? I'm just saying there is possibly a benefit of more business. Don't the organizations have total control over class size? If there's more demand maybe they can offer more track days.
Forgot to ask, them what ARE you saying? Seemed you were trying to push to have DPS as a positive for the off chance that a judge happens to approve it as a way of dismissing a ticket. I'd rather that not be risked over DPS coming in and possibly over-stepping boundaries. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But without them before, we were pretty much not worried a single bit about it.
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Should be left optional for a school, not something the HAVE to do.
I don't have an opinion on whether or not track day organizations should be certified. I was just posting some info that quite a few folks didn't have a clue about, namely, that one could get a ticket dismissed by doing a track day. Do we want more or fewer riders doing track days?
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Forgot to ask, them what ARE you saying? Seemed you were trying to push to have DPS as a positive for the off chance that a judge happens to approve it as a way of dismissing a ticket. I'd rather that not be risked over DPS coming in and possibly over-stepping boundaries. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But without them before, we were pretty much not worried a single bit about it.
Uh, if a judge allows one to take DD to dismiss a ticket then a track day IS an option.
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I know it caused some drama. What are all the other hiccups it caused?
No so many thus far. Other than every single instructor having to pay $44 for finger printing and become certified based on a clean criminal background and NOT on whether they can ride a motorcycle or teach worth a .

It's what the future may hold.

Willlt he DPS investigate crashes at said schools? Will the DPS begin to charge for certification renewals. Will the DPS begin to be on site during track days checking things like licenses, insurance, registrations? Will the DPS determine that track riding is unsafe and ban it, like three wheelers?

Bottomline, who in their right mind wants these people at the track?

BTW, those certifications? They expire. Then what? Nobody knows. The only thing known is that they wil be at the mercy of the DPS.

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I don't have an opinion on whether or not track day organizations should be certified. I was just posting some info that quite a few folks didn't have a clue about, namely, that one could get a ticket dismissed by doing a track day. Do we want more or fewer riders doing track days?
Oh come on, you are a master troll, and from your previous comment on "drama" on this topic, you knew the potential.

Now, again I'll tell you, I, more than a lot of people want nothing more than for a noob to hit the track, but unless they are actually interested, they are not going to do it. Simple.

Might push one or two guys here and there, that is if the judge approves it first. Seems a lot to chance for only one constant, government oversight where no one really wanted it or needed it.
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No so many thus far. Other than every single instructor having to pat $44 for finger printing and become certified based on a clean criminal background and NOT on whether they can ride a motorcycle or teach worth a .

It's what the future may hold.

Willlt he DPS investigate crashes at said schools? Will the DPS begin to charge for certification renewals. Will the DPS begin to be on site during track days checking things like licenses, insurance, registrations? Will the DPS determine that track riding is unsafe and ban it, like three wheelers?

Bottomline, who in their right mind wants these people at the track?

BTW, those certifications? They expire. Then what?
I guess you'd have to ask MSF organizations those questions as they are DPS certified and offer ticket dismissal as well. CMRA is not affected is it?
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Oh come on, you are a master troll, and from your previous comment on "drama" on this topic, you knew the potential.

Now, again I'll tell you, I, more than a lot of people want nothing more than for a noob to hit the track, but unless they are actually interested, they are not going to do it. Simple.

Might push one or two guys here and there, that is if the judge approves it first. Seems a lot to chance for only one constant, government oversight where no one really wanted it or needed it.
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I guess you'd have to ask MSF organizations those questions as they are DPS certified and offer ticket dismissal as well. CMRA is not affected is it?
My understanding is that the CMRA school teaches policies and procedures so it is exempt because it doesn't teach riding skills that apply to the street. Furthermore, except for the first event and one in OK., the CMRA "sub contracts" it's practices to LSTD who is certified and has certified instructors.

Anyway, I'm not here for the drama. Just wanted to voice my opinion that anyone who believes that gubment oversight and involvement is a good thing at track days is a fool. And those who help the gubment monitor this stuff can't really love the freedom the track brings us.

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I think DPS being involved with and having "oversight" of trackdays and track day organizations is right up there with lots of other things that the government knows nothing about and has no business being involved with...
as to ticket dismisal, that is another scam....most folks who get tickets do not get them because they did not know how to ride, or did not know what the law was, ,they got them because they chose to ignore the rules and "enjoy" their ride...
trackdays or MSF will not cure that....speeding tickets do NOT protect the safety of the public, they put money in the bank for government agencies... it is all about the dollar... if you want to actually protect the safety of the public, take the license and bike away when an gets selfish and puts his pleasure above the safety of the public...if i want to PLAY, i go to the track, if I want to get from point A to point B, I use the public roads.
trackdays should not come under DPS or any other transportation authority... they are private activities on private owned land and do not involve the public or transportation on public land/roads.
I do not see any way DPS involvement can help trackdays or trackday orgs or us the rider/student. DPS can not improve my safety on trackdays, they can not increase my enjoyment on trackdays, all they can do is restrict activities and drive the cost up.
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I think DPS being involved with and having "oversight" of trackdays and track day organizations is right up there with lots of other things that the government knows nothing about and has no business being involved with...
as to ticket dismisal, that is another scam....most folks who get tickets do not get them because they did not know how to ride, or did not know what the law was, ,they got them because they chose to ignore the rules and "enjoy" their ride...
trackdays or MSF will not cure that....speeding tickets do NOT protect the safety of the public, they put money in the bank for government agencies... it is all about the dollar... if you want to actually protect the safety of the public, take the license and bike away when an gets selfish and puts his pleasure above the safety of the public...if i want to PLAY, i go to the track, if I want to get from point A to point B, I use the public roads.
trackdays should not come under DPS or any other transportation authority... they are private activities on private owned land and do not involve the public or transportation on public land/roads.
I do not see any way DPS involvement can help trackdays or trackday orgs or us the rider/student. DPS can not improve my safety on trackdays, they can not increase my enjoyment on trackdays, all they can do is restrict activities and drive the cost up.
Should DD be abolished for ticket dismissal?
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So Whoopie decided all the sudden he didnt want to do GSS track days? Considering he did lots of them before all this bs?

Oh and one more affect of this bs is track time. As in every time someone goes down if they org has to fill out a DPS report or if DPS wants to investigate the "wreck" just less and less track time we get to ride.
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So Whoopie decided all the sudden he didnt want to do GSS track days? Considering he did lots of them before all this bs?
He's DPS certified so I don't know why he's no longer at GSS
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So Whoopie decided all the sudden he didnt want to do GSS track days? Considering he did lots of them before all this bs?

Oh and one more affect of this bs is track time. As in every time someone goes down if they org has to fill out a DPS report or if DPS wants to investigate the "wreck" just less and less track time we get to ride.
Whoopies involvement with GSS has nothing to do with any of this.
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that is a whole 'nuther subject. It would first need to be determined what the purpose of speeding tickets is, then determine if issuing those tickets has accomplished the goal. Once the real goal of issuing speeding tickets is determined/admitted, then if the goal has been accomplished, continue on as is... if the goal has not been accomplished, then review the means used to reach that goal.
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Sure it does. I was just curious as if the track orgs have to get a individual certificate to every track? And that if due to having to get this certification did he decide to not continue to go out there or was there other reasons.

Whoop used to do lots of GSS days. Now with orgs having miltiple certs he does not have one for one of the 2 tracks he used to hold days at. Which happened to be alot of fun. Not trying to start just asking ???
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that is a whole 'nuther subject. It would first need to be determined what the purpose of speeding tickets is, then determine if issuing those tickets has accomplished the goal. Once the real goal of issuing speeding tickets is determined/admitted, then if the goal has been accomplished, continue on as is... if the goal has not been accomplished, then review the means used to reach that goal.
Well you know the answer to this:
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