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Old 01-01-2013, 11:19 PM   #1
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"We the People" long arm ride?

This is an idea that I came up with based off another post I just made. But being as the great state of Texas legally allows open carry of long arms, (shot guns and rifles) I'm proposing a "we the people long arms ride". Meaning we get a large group of riders together and do a ride with whatever long gun you have strapped across your back.

Now it's not to say that some time would need to be put in to planning for this to be a very strong protest for not just us here in Houston, but the rest of the country. Lets face it, it's gonna draw some attention, but with proper planning this can go off without a hitch, even though it is perfectly legal to open carry long arms.

But my idea is this. Plan a local gun store to be the meeting place. Maybe they will be open to the idea of discounts for anyone on a bike, wearing a long arm. Perhaps plan the end of the ride at a pre determined restaurant, or sandwich shop out in Galveston. (Because remeber we don't want to be in violation of being in a place that sells beer/liqure. That would be illigal, and this is about lawful rights) But see if we can find a place that will support the cause, and welcome us with our guns. OR maybe a ride to a known bike shop that again will support our cause and maybe grill some hot dogs and hamburgers.

With starting locations secured, I think it would be in the best intrest to get HPD, or dps involved to make them aware, and I'm sure they probably would be willing to help, if not provide an escort, or at least be aware of what's going on.

So I put all of this forth to network with my fellow riders, and gun owners to see if this is something everyone would be willing to get behind. Like I said, this idea just literally popped up in my head. And I wouldn't just keep it to motohouston members, but anyone who rides can, and should get involved.

I love this country, love my guns, and my motorcycle. I would love to see this become a reality. What you guys think?
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:01 AM   #2
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There was a 24 year old vet who went for a two hour walk in Portland, ME a week or two ago with his AR across his back. Generated 65 MWAG calls to the local PD. The PD, to their credit, didn't hassle him; but it only deepened the anti-gun folks' fear & loathing of guns & gun people. IOW, it was rather counter productive.

Now, that was Maine (and Portland, specifically) and this is Texas. People have been doing group open carry events in a variety of states where it's legal, but not commonly practiced; but most often with pistols. And they do things like community service events, such as trash pickup in parks or along a roadway, while open carrying. That's a pretty positive combination of a less-threatening (pistol vs rifle) firearm, and clearly benign intention (the community service).

The challenge you'd have in the rifle+motorcycle+group ride is that a lot of people would start having Mad Max/Thunderdrome hysterical reactions. And the closed face helmets wouldn't allow anyone to get a read on how calm/sane/friendly/rational, or crazed/psychopathic you look. I've done OC trash pickup in Maine, and a big part of the effectiveness is that you can smile, say hello, etc to passers-by. The nature of your personal interaction with people is a big part of the effectiveness of your community outreach.

If you rendezvous at, say, Jim Pruitt's Guns & Ammo on the NW side, then do a group ride to a shooting range, you could probably gin up some publicity for it (if Jim buys into the idea). And the fact that your destination is a shooting venue means that you'd have a purpose behind OC of a rile, instead of just promenading around. I'd suggest you call Jim & brainstorm it with him. If he likes the idea, he could probably get local media to turn up and get some footage. And giving HPD a heads up about it a week or so ahead of time would be a very wise move.
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Very good input.
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I would for sure start at a gun store then ride to a shooting range because at least the story makes sense to cops. Just start a a gun shop that is far from the range so you can get some miles around Houston with these guns showing.
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.... a feral hog hunt would make an, interesting destination. Particularly if one was stopped by LEO enroute.
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There was a 24 year old vet who went for a two hour walk in Portland, ME a week or two ago with his AR across his back. Generated 65 MWAG calls to the local PD. The PD, to their credit, didn't hassle him; but it only deepened the anti-gun folks' fear & loathing of guns & gun people. IOW, it was rather counter productive.

Now, that was Maine (and Portland, specifically) and this is Texas. People have been doing group open carry events in a variety of states where it's legal, but not commonly practiced; but most often with pistols. And they do things like community service events, such as trash pickup in parks or along a roadway, while open carrying. That's a pretty positive combination of a less-threatening (pistol vs rifle) firearm, and clearly benign intention (the community service).

The challenge you'd have in the rifle+motorcycle+group ride is that a lot of people would start having Mad Max/Thunderdrome hysterical reactions. And the closed face helmets wouldn't allow anyone to get a read on how calm/sane/friendly/rational, or crazed/psychopathic you look. I've done OC trash pickup in Maine, and a big part of the effectiveness is that you can smile, say hello, etc to passers-by. The nature of your personal interaction with people is a big part of the effectiveness of your community outreach.

If you rendezvous at, say, Jim Pruitt's Guns & Ammo on the NW side, then do a group ride to a shooting range, you could probably gin up some publicity for it (if Jim buys into the idea). And the fact that your destination is a shooting venue means that you'd have a purpose behind OC of a rile, instead of just promenading around. I'd suggest you call Jim & brainstorm it with him. If he likes the idea, he could probably get local media to turn up and get some footage. And giving HPD a heads up about it a week or so ahead of time would be a very wise move.
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.... a feral hog hunt would make an, interesting destination. Particularly if one was stopped by LEO enroute.
Not nearly as interesting as the ride home with a 200 pound dead sow riding .
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Not nearly as interesting as the ride home with a 200 pound dead sow riding .
That's not a very nice thing to say
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I would suggest a gun store that actually supports the constitution, unlike pruitts...
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I support this 110% however I do see the potential for the policebto pull bullshit charges i.e intimidation, tire tread depth, smoked out lights, disturbing the peace, etc. Maybe call the sheriff's department for each county prior to the ride and maybe even the news. With all the anti gun going on these days you're garunteed to get some media coverage. Let me know a time and date and I'll take leave to be here.
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The issue with such things is that the people that are already OK with firearms don't need to be swayed and those that are against them or on the fence aren't going to be brought over to our way of thinking. More likely, they'll feel a degree of intimidation and feel even stronger about us being a bunch of weird people that need to be kept in check and watched closely.

The best way to move the argument is through rational facts and discussion when possible, as well as explaining the sporting aspects of firearms as well as the basic human right of self defense. I used to work with a guy back in the early 90's in St Louis that was vehemently opposed to civilian firearm ownership. Don grew up in a bad neighborhood, and didn't understand why a lot of us at work had so many guns. In his mind, they were only for killing people.

After multiple declined offers to go to the range with us, he was with me at our mutual friend Brian's house. It was in a rural area, and we had brought out my AR, 1911, an AK47, an SKS and a 12 gauge. After a safety briefing and a basic skills overview, we talked him into trying a rifle. He hit the target on the first shot and smiled. As the day dragged on, he shot everything we brought out. By day's end, his opinion had changed. Within a month, he had a Mossberg pump 12, a Beretta 9mm and a whole new opinion about firearms.

If you have a friend that's on the fence and you are responsible and proficient yourself, offer to show them what it's about. Let them see and understand that it's no more than a tool, and that it's not inherently evil. A good part of this war will have to be won or lost on a person-to-person level, since the media's already in the bag for the other side.

I'm not trying to disparage anything that supports our second amendment rights. I just want to make sure that whatever we do doesn't give the opposition more ammo, pun intended.
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What about the possibility of an accident?
Something like the guy who died that "Bikers against helmet laws" event...

The event ended up having a negative connotation afterwards.
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dig the idea and would participate with an old rifle that's non threating and my CC.
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Something like the guy who died that "Bikers against helmet laws" event...

The event ended up having a negative connotation afterwards.
that was a crazy story

and I see CCH's standpoint
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and I see CCH's standpoint
Plus, USAF drones taking pictures above will confirm your ownership of an "assault weapon". tinfoilhat3 lol
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COnceptually, I like it.
In practice, it is a bad idea. Not good press for guns or motorcycles.
I am certain the media would LOOOVE to cover this story. It would probably be a national story for all the wrong reasons.
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