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Old 12-28-2012, 03:44 PM   #1
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I fear my car is dying.

Well, I'm pretty sure my car is on its last legs. When I start it, untill it warms up it sounds like it has some valve clatter, or is having a hard time picking up oil. I fear that the engine overtime has built up sludge that is slowly starting to starve the engine of oil. Now whats weird though is why this tapping and lack of oil is only happening while the engine is cold. After it warms up it runs as normal as a car with 200k miles...

Now does anyone have any idea how long it might be till the engine fails?
I have heard countless reports that the engine I have the 1zzfe 1.8l 4cycl toyota engine build sludge overtime even with normal oil change intervals.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:17 PM   #2
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You have a lifter bleeding down. It only clatters when it's cold because it takes awhile for that to happen. After cranking, the oil pressure builds up and the clatter stops.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:21 PM   #3
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sounds like it too me too. My nissan used to do that.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:33 PM   #4
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Have you tried adding Lucas oil and fuel additives?
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:24 PM   #5
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if you need a true and accurate evaluation of the life and condition of your engine you need to have a compression AND leakdown test done on all cylinders.

only then can you have the information necessary to know what condition your engine is in.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:03 PM   #6
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kevintx88, Overhead cam engine? What oil are you using? If the death rattle goes away as the engine warms I wouldn't worry too much.

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Old 12-28-2012, 11:54 PM   #7
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yea its a DOHC 1.8L Using Pennsoil High mileage. Have been since 90k miles. Yea the death rattle goes away as it warms.
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Aren't those engines notorious for needing synthetic to reduce sludge buildup ?
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:35 AM   #9
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Aren't those engines notorious for needing synthetic to reduce sludge buildup ?
yup, Toyota made the oil return holes too small and the oil would pool around them reducing oil flow to the engine and creating hot spots which accelerates oil deterioration. That combined with toyotas longer recommended service intervals of oil changes every 6-7k compared to every 3-5k created a nasty combo and slow death of the engines typically above 50k miles.

The engine can die a slow painful death if it wants, just not while im on my way to work. I plan on getting a new car in about 3-6 months anyways.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:10 AM   #10
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I agree with Bluewave18. If sludge may be a problem switch to synthetic. It will clean the sludge out. Synthetic is very microscopic so you may have oil leaks from gaskets where you did not have them before with dinosaur oil.
Screw the semi synthetics and go with 100% synthetic.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:46 AM   #11
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Highmileage synthetics have additives that swell the gaskets to help reduce leaks but isn't always the case
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Syn's causing leaking oil was an issue only at their inception in the 70's and is practically non existent in todays true synthetic oils. I dont know where you read that synthetic oil's containing "microscopics" is the reason for the oil seepage but i would say at best thats only partially correct.

The reason syn's caused oil leakage back in the 70's (according to bob the oil guy) is that gaskets of that era would swell causing oil seepage, and folks switching back to non-syn would find that they had...oil leaks from their dino oil.

now a days with improved gaskets, true synthetic oils, and a whole host of other technical improvements all around for cars it is a non-issue. however, you will still want to watch your car closely for the first oil change or two as your engine can always simply burn the oil, without it leaking or showing any visual sign of such.

that being said, i'm looking for a 1.8L car that crunches gas, 3-6 from now when you get your new ride, holla at me and ill give you fair market for it.


ETA: if your engine only has 90k on it, thats not warranted for using high mileage oil just yet (IMO) especially if you decide to switch to semi or full-syn dont pick one of their hi-mileage syn's it will be a higher weight (less viscous) compounding your current issue with low oil flow
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:32 PM   #13
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Easy. Buy a few cheapo oil filters, and buy the motor flush fluids from the local parts store. follow the directions. then use synthetic oil. solves the problem every time in those 1.8's and the camry 2.4.
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Before your next oil change pour a bottle atf in the engine and drive for about an hour.

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