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Old 12-15-2012, 07:04 PM   #41
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+1 for "The Pace".

Just went on 500 mile round trip to Llano with a riding buddy of mine yesterday. We took the back roads and had our fill of riding The Pace. On some of the winding stretches of 2981, 153 and 150, except on the tighter turns, we were doing 70-100mph. Brake lights rarely flashed. Lead bike pick the line and set the pace, trailing bike follow and kept it tight.

The kicker? He rode a VTX1800T and I'm on my C14. No ego, nothing to prove. just a couple of guys that rode purely for the sport, and toured when there ain't no need to tour. We didn't ride fast; we rode at the pace the road beckons.

Done right, chasing can be just as fun as leading. No offense, but I find my sport touring buddies appreciate this far more than the sportbike guys.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:13 PM   #42
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i prefer to stay in the back of the fast group .... and I'd rather someone else lead.. still learning the country roads. And since i started doing the SMRs and like.. its what i look forward to EVERY weekend... now to do a hill country trip
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+1 for "The Pace".

Just went on 500 mile round trip to Llano with a riding buddy of mine yesterday. We took the back roads and had our fill of riding The Pace. On some of the winding stretches of 2981, 153 and 150, except on the tighter turns, we were doing 70-100mph. Brake lights rarely flashed. Lead bike pick the line and set the pace, trailing bike follow and kept it tight.

The kicker? He rode a VTX1800T and I'm on my C14. No ego, nothing to prove. just a couple of guys that rode purely for the sport, and toured when there ain't no need to tour. We didn't ride fast; we rode at the pace the road beckons.

Done right, chasing can be just as fun as leading. No offense, but I find my sport touring buddies appreciate this far more than the sportbike guys.
I truly believe that about the Sport Touring guys. Most of them are old farts like us..buut they grew up and got a "thinking mans" bike.
I was going to clarify my statement to Sunday_Rider but Ill try to do it here.
I mean a group of us ride "The Pace" whether that is 80 or 90mph but do not tap the brakes. I am just as guilty (guilty pleasure) of ripping in the fast group and when the curves come...speed up! Im gonna continue being guilty but I would also like the technical challenge of riding "The Pace" as written in the article.

I wanna do a "Pace" ride like you are describing where the emphasis is on the challenge of maintaining the (semi) established ride pace. Little to no brakes but skill and finesse to stay in the "ballet".
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I either jump ahead.. because I'm more comfortable following someone I am familiar with or someone I know has a good line (for me) to follow.

I tend to fall back a bit because I don't like his line or never ridden with him/her before.
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Someone is always faster; and that someone is not going to be me. I like doing group rides and hanging out with other guys and shooting the . I usually sweep and this allows me to ride at my own pace and allow more experienced riders to let their bikes rip! I think it's very important to know your machine well and since I never keep a bike longer than 6 months I never get totally comfortable with my machine.
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Blanco, it is a dance of sorts. Like international ballroom dancing, the leader and follower lock step and make the whole affair fluidic and a joy to watch. Likewise, following in a "the Pace" group requires no less concentration and skill than leading. You must "read" the bike(s) ahead and anticipate their moves to keep from "bungeeing" up the group, as the effect quickly multiplies towards the tail end of the pack. Even for an experience group used to riding with each other, it is difficult to keep tight more than 4-5 riders. Different style bikes with different engine braking and power characteristics complicates the read. Sprinkle even a tiny bit of hormones, inexperience, and impatience in the group, and the whole thing turns to shiite in a hurry.

With all due respect to those who like to GLH (Go Like ) on the open road, riding at or near the limits of your ability on the street is disaster waiting to happen. That's what the track is for.

I do enjoy meeting up for the occasional SMR, but I ride it mostly like a fast parade.
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Luckily I have neither nor ego. I typically play mother hen. If there is even one rider who is slower or more inexperienced, I tend to ride behind them or at their speed to make sure they're okay and enjoying their ride. I have been on too many rides where new riders have wrecked and there's nothing fun about that.

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Riding the "Pace" takes a group with good skills and no egos. Every Johnny Racer wants to pin it down the straights and then be a road block on the next turn.

The Pace requires you to be able to pick the right speed for the road and make the turns without brakes or speeding up too much coming out. Lots of maintenance throttle. The straights are for relaxing and letting the group close back up.

The fun of group riding comes from riding "as a group". Once you get a bunch of streakers running off and hiding, and slower peeps left to try and catch up, you end up with no fun and usually someone in a ditch.

Pick your group with care, and don't let your ego do the choosing for you.
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I like the back for selfish reasons. Let the leaders flush out the po po. Also if I see everyone make it through a turn safely, I have more confidence that there isn't gravel, oil, or suspiciously deceased fowl in the turn.

Speaking of the po po. Had a Manvel PD leave his radar trap in the middle of Hwy 6, make a u turn, and tail me for about a mile before he gave up at 288 and made a u ey.
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Riding the "Pace" takes a group with good skills and no egos. Every Johnny Racer wants to pin it down the straights and then be a road block on the next turn.

The Pace requires you to be able to pick the right speed for the road and make the turns without brakes or speeding up too much coming out. Lots of maintenance throttle. The straights are for relaxing and letting the group close back up.

The fun of group riding comes from riding "as a group". Once you get a bunch of streakers running off and hiding, and slower peeps left to try and catch up, you end up with no fun and usually someone in a ditch.

Pick your group with care, and don't let your ego do the choosing for you.
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Riding the "Pace" takes a group with good skills and no egos. Every Johnny Racer wants to pin it down the straights and then be a road block on the next turn.

The Pace requires you to be able to pick the right speed for the road and make the turns without brakes or speeding up too much coming out. Lots of maintenance throttle. The straights are for relaxing and letting the group close back up.

The fun of group riding comes from riding "as a group". Once you get a bunch of streakers running off and hiding, and slower peeps left to try and catch up, you end up with no fun and usually someone in a ditch.

Pick your group with care, and don't let your ego do the choosing for you.
I know enough of the good riders around here to conjure up a true "The Pace" ride. I think it will be fun and challenging if everyone agrees to the program ahead of time. All of us have seen each other at stupid speeds and we have the skills. I want to see how one of these rides goes...it definitely sounds fun!

Im gonna sign up a few right now:

"The Pace" ride sign up (not real..kinda fantasy football style but these would get er done)! I think anyone who has ridden with these guys (except me LOL) would agree!

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you missed the Hitman my friend..

Not a miss perse.
I wa sjust throwing up six names. His could definitely fill any one of those six slots. I was just thinking about the size of six more than the names.

We need to do that ride soon. It will be fun trying to stay on pace with no brakes!
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i just ride my pace. if its at the front cool if im one or two back thats cool too.



besides if there is something in the road i do not want to be the first to hit it
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...I think it's very important to know your machine well and since I never keep a bike longer than 6 months I never get totally comfortable with my machine.
6 months?! That's an eternity for some of us!
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6 months?! That's an eternity for some of us!
I really need to keep a bike for a year, although I did pick up a Ducati today. I still have the RC8; but now I have another bike to only keep for 6 months.
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i prefer to stay in the back of the fast group .... and I'd rather someone else lead.. still learning the country roads. And since i started doing the SMRs and like.. its what i look forward to EVERY weekend... now to do a hill country trip
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I truly believe that about the Sport Touring guys. Most of them are old farts like us..buut they grew up and got a "thinking mans" bike.
I was going to clarify my statement to Sunday_Rider but Ill try to do it here.
I mean a group of us ride "The Pace" whether that is 80 or 90mph but do not tap the brakes. I am just as guilty (guilty pleasure) of ripping in the fast group and when the curves come...speed up! Im gonna continue being guilty but I would also like the technical challenge of riding "The Pace" as written in the article.

I wanna do a "Pace" ride like you are describing where the emphasis is on the challenge of maintaining the (semi) established ride pace. Little to no brakes but skill and finesse to stay in the "ballet".
You should join our SMR, the guys in the front never touch the brakes at all
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