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Old 02-16-2007, 02:14 PM   #41
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To reply to an earlier post that Jesus is just the son of ; Jesus is . It's called the Godhead. You have , the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Actually, if you study different types of religion or look at variations within different religions, there are many different way Jesus is viewed, from halfGod/halfHuman to prophet to 's reincarnation. It all depends on what religion you follow for the beliefs you cherish.
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Actually, if you study different types of religion or look at variations within different religions, there are many different way Jesus is viewed, from halfGod/halfHuman to prophet to 's reincarnation. It all depends on what religion you follow for the beliefs you cherish.
That's true, but if you are a true Christian, then your belief is Jesus is , and anything less would be an abomination
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small difference in being and being his only son.. but the blood line is there...


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Your faith is in your heart. Its not in what others see, its not in the church, its not anything that anyone can tell other than the man himself. Can I sit around and curse and never go to church and say all the time and still be a believer? Your Damned right I can. Because he knows I'm here, I know he's there, he knows I care, and I know he's fair. I think 95% of the BS that comes along with religion is BS...


i think i agree with you the most. i dont believe in religion, i do believe in spirituality<(not sure how to spell it) knows me, knows my faults, knows everything i do before i do it, and if i had any doubt about before, after my wreck, still being alive, there is no way i can deny .
I know im here for a reason, and i believe its something Big, im just waiting for to show me.

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I think this thread is potentially harmful because organized religion draws lines and fosters hatred among different cultures. Christianity and muslims are the worst. They intolerant to all other religions. If you are not a "member" then you are going to ...end of story. Question, did everyone on the planet go to before christianity was developed? I doubt it. Case in point...several people made comments about my post questioning wether or not jesus was the son of . According to the new testament he is the son. According to the old testament he is ? I read once that there were 40,000 different sects of christianity. One jesus...40 some odd thousand different beliefs = confused :eh:
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1 Corinthians 11:3 - "But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and is the head of Christ." (NASB)
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you guys will love this one too. Loving and live by the bible.
Exodus 21:15 - "He who strikes his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." (NASB)

Exodus 21:17 - "He who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." (NASB)


Most of you people shouldn't be here. Live by the bible and kill your children when they strike you and curse you.
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Old 02-16-2007, 10:39 PM   #48
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how long ago was the bible written?

how many times was the bible re-wriiten through-out the years?



i think the bible that we have today is taken out of context, whoever re-wrote it, read parts of it, and took it in a diffrent way, therefore he re-wrote it that way.
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I don't believe in the , but I believe that there is a .

I've always liked St. Thomas Aquinas' "uncaused cause theory," that posits that were one to look back in time far enough that one could find an effect for which there was no explicable cause. It seems to reason that for every effect we witness in our world there is a cause that can be objectively identified.
Speaking hypothetically you could work your way back up the cosmic timeline and explain the advent of earth and identify a cause for it. The same with the stars, sun, moon and planets. Let's say you could even find evidence to support some kind of 'big bang' as being responsible for the creation of the galaxy. The idea is that if you go back far enough you will eventually encounter some occurrence for which their can be no scientific explanation. Something that acts but is not acted upon. The cause of this, the first effect, would be .
I obviously don't know if it would be Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish or Muslim , but I do feel that there isn't any logical reason to support the belief in any one over another. Why should we think that out of the infinite realm of possibilities that the human race, in only the briefest amount of time, has stumbled onto the exact knowledge of who is, or what (his) will may be?

The only part of Christian doctrine that I feel certain about is .

I believe in .

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i do believe in -the Lord-The Greatest Father in His highest power-jugement-faithfulness-fairlyness...
i do accepted Jesus (only Son of had given to man / earth ) in my life as my Savior who had died for my sin in this sociaty.
Now,Bible in Palm have written that : BLessing always for those who believe without seeing or hearing...surely very please that we believe in Him without seeing Him.
Are we ready - prepare ...to come and see ?
Where do we find ? Where is ?
In my faith, the answere is in The Bible - The Christian Bible - His words and His Face are there for me whenever i read (some sentences at a times) and i pray to Him.
And how do we praise and workship Him ? and do we experience His works in each of our life - in each of our days ?--- THINK ABOUT IT / JUST READ SOME OF THE BIBLE / TALK-PRAY TO HIM WITH HIM AND ALWAYS THANKS HIM FOR ANOTHER DAY IN OUR LIFE !!!!
We living in this highest time of modern technology in every ways
Bill Gate have had designed and still designning more computer technology !!!
More/more youngest-smartest engyneers in every year !!!
Billy Graham still serving the Lord - preaching around the nation / world !!!
along side, like Robert Schuldler - Rick Warren - Harvest Crussade - Joe Osteen.....still serving Our Lord . The reward from in so amazzing !!!
BELIEVE IN or BELIEVE IN TECHNOLOGY
WE ARE LIVING IN THIS TIME - THE HOLY SPIRIT TIME TRIBAL THAT JESUS HAD ASKED/PRAYED TO GIVING WHEN HE DIED ON THE CROSS / LEAVING EARTH.
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you guys will love this one too. Loving and live by the bible.
Exodus 21:15 - "He who strikes his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." (NASB)

Exodus 21:17 - "He who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." (NASB)


Most of you people shouldn't be here. Live by the bible and kill your children when they strike you and curse you.
Those were the laws given to Moses to govern his people after leaving Egypt, and applied to them at that time, they were not delivered as laws to be followed for all time.

Also in your references to new testiment vs Old testiment , they are both right.

The easiest way to put it, is " Is". In the Old Testiment, he was only known as the supreme being , in the New Testiment, He came to earth in human form as Godsuki explained earlier.

Religions are no more harsh than your sciences, if you believe that, as a scientist, the earth is 6000 years old, then any scientist who believes otherwise is wrong.

If you believe, as a Religion, that is Jesus is The Holy Ghost, then someone who believes differently is wrong.

Before you start on aboriginies and cave men, the Bible states that Man is forgiven his ignorance, only those who have heard His name and refused Him are damned to .

If you have any other questions or comments feel free to ask and I or another Spiritual Representative will be with you shortly. :topsecret
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Those were the laws given to Moses to govern his people after leaving Egypt, and applied to them at that time, they were not delivered as laws to be followed for all time.

Also in your references to new testiment vs Old testiment , they are both right.

The easiest way to put it, is " Is". In the Old Testiment, he was only known as the supreme being , in the New Testiment, He came to earth in human form as Godsuki explained earlier.

Religions are no more harsh than your sciences, if you believe that, as a scientist, the earth is 6000 years old, then any scientist who believes otherwise is wrong.

If you believe, as a Religion, that is Jesus is The Holy Ghost, then someone who believes differently is wrong.

Before you start on aboriginies and cave men, the Bible states that Man is forgiven his ignorance, only those who have heard His name and refused Him are damned to .

If you have any other questions or comments feel free to ask and I or another Spiritual Representative will be with you shortly. :topsecret

Are you a spiritual scholar? This is a subject of great debate. It has started many wars and ended many friendships. This has been a fascinating subject of mine for years. I could type loads of info to ask you guys but I won't. I could also type loads of info to inform you guys but hardcore christians tend not to be open minded. For the record I never once mentioned science in what I discussed. This is a thread that is better off to let die before feathers get ruffled.
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This is a thread that is better off to let die before feathers get ruffled.
Around here........it wouldn't be the first time:eh: :laughing6
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One final question to everyone. Think hard about this and be honest with yourself...why are you the religion you are? Did you seek it out and choose one that felt right? Were your parents the same religion as you are now? I have studied many different religions, it is an on going process as there is a lot of religions out there and much to learn. Many people are the same religion as their parents. It is what gets pounded into your head from when you are little. Don't get me wrong people, I am not christian bashing, just trying to lift the vail of prejudice among different religions.
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One final question to everyone. Think hard about this and be honest with yourself...why are you the religion you are? Did you seek it out and choose one that felt right? Were your parents the same religion as you are now? I have studied many different religions, it is an on going process as there is a lot of religions out there and much to learn. Many people are the same religion as their parents. It is what gets pounded into your head from when you are little. Don't get me wrong people, I am not christian bashing, just trying to lift the vail of prejudice among different religions.
my parents made me go to church until i was about 17, i hated it, being forced to go somewhere that i didnt want to go, i mean, that just makes you rebel more as a teenager.

to this day, i dont go to church, i see it as another way for a "sales person" to try and sale me something. and all those TV PREACHERS........well, i dont really believe in them, they do what they do for the $$$$$$, whats something the preacher says EVERY sunday "you should tithe(give) to the church"

ever notice what kinda car the preacher drives.......its no station wagon.

so thats why i dont go, i can make church anywhere i want it to be, i dont need a 3 million dollar buildiong to sit in and a guy in a fancy suit to tell me how i should know . all i need is my faith and what i believe in.
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[quote=Ramius]Those were the laws given to Moses to govern his people after leaving Egypt, and applied to them at that time, they were not delivered as laws to be followed for all time.

Also in your references to new testiment vs Old testiment , they are both right.

The easiest way to put it, is " Is". In the Old Testiment, he was only known as the supreme being , in the New Testiment, He came to earth in human form as Godsuki explained earlier.

Religions are no more harsh than your sciences, if you believe that, as a scientist, the earth is 6000 years old, then any scientist who believes otherwise is wrong.

If you believe, as a Religion, that is Jesus is The Holy Ghost, then someone who believes differently is wrong.

Before you start on aboriginies and cave men, the Bible states that Man is forgiven his ignorance, only those who have heard His name and refused Him are damned to .

If you have any other questions or comments feel free to ask and I or

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You pretty much said what I was going to say after reading all the thread

Any thread that makes you use your brain to answer is a dangerous thread.
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my parents made me go to church until i was about 17, i hated it, being forced to go somewhere that i didnt want to go, i mean, that just makes you rebel more as a teenager.

to this day, i dont go to church, i see it as another way for a "sales person" to try and sale me something. and all those TV PREACHERS........well, i dont really believe in them, they do what they do for the $$$$$$, whats something the preacher says EVERY sunday "you should tithe(give) to the church"

ever notice what kinda car the preacher drives.......its no station wagon.

so thats why i dont go, i can make church anywhere i want it to be, i dont need a 3 million dollar buildiong to sit in and a guy in a fancy suit to tell me how i should know . all i need is my faith and what i believe in.
Thats why I go to a little church out here with the poor people. Such strong faith and devotion from people who have very little in the way of possesions..
very humbling.
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