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Old 12-11-2012, 05:51 PM   #121
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You don't appear to have understood his statement in the least.
I did but i think comparing hds to other bikes that are more powerful is nonsense even if the hds weights twice as much, the most difficult thing to manage with modern bikes is the power delivery, he might be able to ride the out of the hd but i really doubt he could do the same on a streetfighter
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I did but i think comparing hds to other bikes that are more powerful is nonsense even if the hds weights twice as much, the most difficult thing to manage with modern bikes is the power delivery, he might be able to ride the out of the hd but i really doubt he could do the same on a streetfighter
Define 'powerful' first off... then one really needs to see/'know' how one is riding before even attempting to how they might do on another 'style'.

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I did but i think comparing hds to other bikes that are more powerful is nonsense even if the hds weights twice as much, the most difficult thing to manage with modern bikes is the power delivery, he might be able to ride the out of the hd but i really doubt he could do the same on a streetfighter
zzzzzz...does an R6 have power delivery. Ive ridden them all. throttle control you learn quick on a scooter.
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zzzzzz...does an R6 have power delivery. Ive ridden them all. throttle control you learn quick on a scooter.
Compared to a scooter..... It sure does! A scooter or an R6 wont break loose your rear tire when coming out of the turn do you dont even have to worry about giving it too much power. On my 1098 i can spin the rear tire coming out of the turn because it doesnt come with any type of electronic nany, downshifting also takes a bit of finese because without a slipper clutch the bike will fishtail if you make a mistake! The streetfighter uses the same engine as the 1098 so it is not as forgiving as your normal R6.
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I learned throttle control on a go-cart, and then on a Honda Trail 70, so that makes me a bad ,
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Define 'powerful' first off... then one really needs to see/'know' how one is riding before even attempting to how they might do on another 'style'.

This GO PRO HD - Riding a Sportbike/Motorcycle on Saturday Afternoon - YouTube takes more skill than this? The Best US Police Motorcycle Driving - HNC - YouTube ?
I think the first thing we should address here is not the definition of power but the steering geometry of both bikes on your videos, one is designed for better high speed cornering and the other for better low speed maneuvers associated with everyday riding conditions of a motorized cop in the city, now if you put the same cop against me on a twisty road i can tell you that no matter what amount of low speed maneuvering skills the cop has u der his belt, he will never keep up with me after a few high speed turns
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So in summary. You have 20+ guys with thousands of man hours of experience riding Dirtbikes, Scooters, and motorcycles VS a guy who owns a scooter and insists its the same.
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the thing is they don't mention anything about MAXIscoots (>500cc). Wheelbaseon the TMAX is 63inches

Maxiscoots are engineered much differently than smaller displacement scooters.

Regarding handling a streetfighter, if i can handle a big peice of metal like an HD, the streetfighter would be a breeze.

I'm actually considering an Ducati 848 or Aprilia shiver.
LOL! Considering ive own two HD's and a Streetfighter I would STRONGLY disagree. A dry clutch and 160hp Engine on 400lbs isnt very "Forgiving" when every little MM of throttle and clutch can loop the bike.
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So in summary. You have 20+ guys with thousands of man hours of experience riding Dirtbikes, Scooters, and motorcycles VS a guy who owns a scooter and insists its the same.
i have rode all the above, and yes each bike has its own characteristics, but in essence they are all the same. You just have to be able to execute dependant on bike.
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the thing is they don't mention anything about MAXIscoots (>500cc). Wheelbaseon the TMAX is 63inches

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Regarding handling a streetfighter, if i can handle a big peice of metal like an HD, the streetfighter would be a breeze.

I'm actually considering an Ducati 848 or Aprilia shiver.
Yep, you're right. The Streetfighter would be a breeze.
I had no idea you were an experienced Harley rider. Anybody that can handle one of those beasts can surely handle a pussycat like a Streetfighter.
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Sure can and then you put your foot down right?..... At the speed that i am talking about putting your foot on the ground is not an option. This just shows that even the criterias of riding are different between a scooter rider vs a motorcycle rider, here i am talking about triple digit speeds coming out of the turns and you are talking about how fast when you broke loose your tires? Not taking away any of your skills aquired on your scooter but it just seems that you cannot quite accept that scooters are not motorcycles, like i mentioned earlier, they are both fun to ride but they are not equals!
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I think the first thing we should address here is not the definition of power but the steering geometry of both bikes on your videos, one is designed for better high speed cornering and the other for better low speed maneuvers associated with everyday riding conditions of a motorized cop in the city, now if you put the same cop against me on a twisty road i can tell you that no matter what amount of low speed maneuvering skills the cop has u der his belt, he will never keep up with me after a few high speed turns

That's an assumption... you've no idea what other experience the LEO has in riding. :-) ...and you're the one who brought up 'power' which is not the same as speed.
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Sure can and then you put your foot down right?..... At the speed that i am talking about putting your foot on the ground is not an option. This just shows that even the criterias of riding are different between a scooter rider vs a motorcycle rider, here i am talking about triple digit speeds coming out of the turns and you are talking about how fast when you broke loose your tires? Not taking away any of your skills aquired on your scooter but it just seems that you cannot quite accept that scooters are not motorcycles, like i mentioned earlier, they are both fun to ride but they are not equals!
never said anything about equals. Each class is definitely its own. Riding however, its all the same. Clutch or no clutch. haha. its about the execution.

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