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Old 10-19-2012, 05:13 AM   #21
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That just about covers all the major organs! ! Just goes to show a split second of target fixation can make all the difference!
it was another rider, that went down becuase of all the fluids on the road left from that accident.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:12 AM   #22
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even after he crossed the line he had plenty of room to make it
instead he picks the bike up and heads right into the poor vette
and it looks like he rode there from a long ways off.. which really sucks
Yeah, on frame 13 he's already bringing the center of gravity up. I'm guessing he was dragging his floorboards or scraping his pipes and it scared him.

He was also taking an outside line going into the curve. He was too busy posing for the camera.

Dumbass...
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Yeah, on frame 13 he's already bringing the center of gravity up. I'm guessing he was dragging his floorboards or scraping his pipes and it scared him.

He was also taking an outside line going into the curve. He was too busy posing for the camera.

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well, to get max traction and braking while in a curve you have to upright the bike, otherwise you'll tuck the ft end.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:26 AM   #24
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Not like he uprighted it!

On most cruisers you can't get anywhere near tucking the front end before bottoming out your floorboards and/or pipes. And on cruisers, rider weight to bike weight ratio doesn't really allow the rider to provide all of the COG offset to make speedy corners. You really have to crank the bike over, not much other option.
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Racer,

Thanks for this, it is excellent. There are some great comments also. "Take the curve" and looking through a curve are some of the most important lessons I got from the MSF.

When I test rode my current V7R Moto Guzzi the dealer led me on an unfamiliar route that was very twisty, with very tight curves on a narrow road with no shoulder and a lot of traffic. At one curve I was at pretty high risk and was struggling with the right gearing for the high torque twin. But, I counter steered, adjusted my vision, ignored incoming traffic and kept my line and accellerated through the hairpin. I also learned the Goose could corner effectively as I was close to a knee drag and the new Pirelli's did their job.

I grew up riding Highway 550 in SW Colorado. But that was on a Honda Scrambler 175: a very nimble machine. The big heavy HD bikes, perhaps, and correct me if I am wrong--- are a bit difficult to rapidly counter-steer? Hence is why I have rejected the idea of renting a HD while in Colorado. My old Ninja EX500 was a flickable machine, and that kept me out of trouble a few times too.

I plan to ride this fine weekend. Travel and sickness have kept me in a cage for two weeks. Your post is a good safety reminder. Getting the mind set for riding---focusing is critical. I think this poor clown lost his focus, and froze up and panicked.

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GEEEUZUS CRIPES. That is an intense picture. textbook example of target fixation, remind me not to wave at the camera if I ever ride the snake, or the dragon.

I've had a close call on a back road in NC with a truck crossing the center lane on a blind curve. Thankfully I wasn't going to the wall and was able to make an adjustment. Learning to look through the curve and ignore oncoming cars helped me tremendously.
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Hard to judge whether he could've leaned the bike some more and tracked through the curve. Looks like by the time he got his mind back to the business of riding, he saw the turn and the Corvette, and simply panicked. The rookie mistake is to stand the bike upright and brake, instead of staying on the line and trust the bike will corner better than you can.

That's pretty much what happened to me on my first track day. Difference was: I picked up my bike, dusted off the leathers, and rode the rest of day, learning how to overcome that rookie reaction. Only injury was a bent frame slider and a bruised ego.
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Hard to judge whether he could've leaned the bike some more and tracked through the curve. Looks like by the time he got his mind back to the business of riding, he saw the turn and the Corvette, and simply panicked. The rookie mistake is to stand the bike upright and brake, instead of staying on the line and trust the bike will corner better than you can.

That's pretty much what happened to me on my first track day. Difference was: I picked up my bike, dusted off the leathers, and rode the rest of day, learning how to overcome that rookie reaction. Only injury was a bent frame slider and a bruised ego.
I have never done this on a bike, but in my mustang. I didnt trust that it could make the turn (girl pulled out in front of me at 4 way intersection), so I jammed the brakes, and t-boned her. After getting out, I looked at the room I had, and said , this car could have made that at 40 MPH.

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The rookie mistake is to stand the bike upright and brake, instead of staying on the line and trust the bike will corner better than you can.

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from the looks of it, he was already scrapping floor board. can't lean much further then that, so the turn isn't going to tighten up any more then that.

he was fooked from the first pic!
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from the looks of it, he was already scrapping floor board. can't lean much further then that, so the turn isn't going to tighten up any more then that.

he was fooked from the first pic!
Depends on how fast he entered the corner. Those floorboard might kick sparks but they will pivot up. He's not touching pipe yet, so I'm guessing he's got a bit more lean left. But if he went in too fast, which -judging by the impact - he was, then you're right.
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heres a slightly slower one for inspection. i dont think there was any way at that speed he was gonna get thru that turn, even if he did the right thing which would've been to flatten the bike down and take the slide, he likely still woulda ran into the vette.

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it was another rider, that went down becuase of all the fluids on the road left from that accident.
Oh ok. That sucks even more!
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I think if he would have stuck with the lean the corvette might have avoided him.
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heres a slightly slower one for inspection. i dont think there was any way at that speed he was gonna get thru that turn, even if he did the right thing which would've been to flatten the bike down and take the slide, he likely still woulda ran into the vette.

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Actually, at the point he crosses the line he starts picking the bike up, already target fixating on the vette. The vette was going wide trying to give him room; if he had just finished the turn he would have missed the vette.. although he may have been head on into the following car.
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Hey photographer! Want to watch something cool?
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even if he did the right thing which would've been to flatten the bike down and take the slide, he likely still woulda ran into the vette.
NO NO NO! That is never the right thing. OK, I won't go so far as to say Never, but rarely, and in this case absolutely not. The right thing here was to stay leaned over and return to his lane. The vette gave him room to follow through.
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