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Old 10-11-2012, 02:13 PM   #1
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Josh Hayes. Lets talk....

Debating elsewhere on line.

Short story from another guy is Hayes is a decent rider on an unbeatable bike. Crazy developed, lots of money on/in the team, and great support from Yamaha and Graves.

My debate to that is way under developed and funded bikes have had awesome results. Eslick shutting down Young w/ a very long running and funded Yosh team. Rog taking a win. A few times a non huge name has done great things, maybe not great enough to take down Josh.

Now Josh has taken a step above Mladin in most race wins in a season. I think that R1 Josh is on is a WELL set up bike but I don't believe the bike, for the most part, is what really wins the race. Herrin on the same bike can't run with Josh.

Figured it was a good point of conversation..
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No doubt the R1 he rides is bad , but IMO Josh Hayes proved himself a while ago in the FX class. He has two championships there before running on the big bikes. He has proved he knows how to win and can do it on different bikes.
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i believe the bike is very well setup and Josh is beast on it.
he has indeed beat some records, im not a history buff, but honestly ,i wish he had more riders keeping him honest in the front.
when Ben was there , so was mladin and visaversa there was racing happening
just seems like the pool is pretty shallow as it goes in that class.
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Josh Hayes is one of a few riders that rides with no electronic assist like traction control or wheelie control , He uses all manual throttle controls . If people believe its only the bike that makes the man then why cant josh herrin produce the same gap between him and the next rider ? Herrin is a good rider but even on the same bike doesnt stand a chance against hayes
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Josh Hayes is one of a few riders that rides with no electronic assist like traction control or wheelie control , He uses all manual throttle controls . If people believe its only the bike that makes the man then why cant josh herrin produce the same gap between him and the next rider ? Herrin is a good rider but even on the same bike doesnt stand a chance against hayes
While that was true at one point, he does have and use both wheelie control and traction control now. It probably isn't turned up as high as other people would have it though.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:30 PM   #6
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I also agree on a well set up bike, lots of funding. on his interview after race to the commentators said that tom. (monday) they were going to bring out and test the new bike! but aside from all tha machines and money that dude does work. Constantly training I believe he races and trains on them road bikes. From his attitude he seems like a well diciplined athlete. And one of the oldest guys out there at that.
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Josh didn't run T/C at all last year.

This year he was.
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:05 PM   #8
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I've said this before.. and I'll say it again... "Even the best horse rider, Needs a great horse to win"

A great rider and a well set up bike can take you a long ways..

It will be fun to see all the best and top riders be on the same bike with the same set up and see what happens there.... yep! I'll pay for that!

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That's why I like Moto2... motors are the same for all bikes. It all comes down to rider feedback to crew, crew work on bike, and rider skill. That's also why Moto2 has some awesome close races.
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That's why I like Moto2... motors are the same for all bikes. It all comes down to rider feedback to crew, crew work on bike, and rider skill. That's also why Moto2 has some awesome close races.
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I've said this before.. and I'll say it again... "Even the best horse rider, Needs a great horse to win"

A great rider and a well set up bike can take you a long ways..

It will be fun to see all the best and top riders be on the same bike with the same set up and see what happens there.... yep! I'll pay for that!
Yeah, that needs to happen.
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I think it would be unfair to put it all down to the bike. Yes, he has worked with Graves to make that R1 a beast over the years, but Josh sure seems to work harder than everyone else. Last year Josh was unhappy because even though he won the championship, Blake Young took a few more wins, so Josh doubled down on his off season work and training. Look what happened. Is there anyone else in AMA Superbike who has his focus?
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Josh Hayes is an animal. A machine. I guess the losers gotta blame something besides themselves. Do you really think any one of those guys would win 16 races on Josh Hayes bike? Doubtful.

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And do you think any one of those guys would have set 10 poles this year on his bike?
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herrin has gave him a good run for his money, prolly the closest of any,but got greety..
and while Herrin has matured as a racer , he has a long way to go before he earns that #1,
its not just talent,or the bike,or the crew, or the training its all those together that let Hayes just take that plate ,next year will be a repeat..
unless Mr Slick can keep that Buell from blowing up..
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Let's not forget that Hayes ran a Tech3 bike in MotoGP a few years ago in the rain (a great leveller) and finished top ten, IIRC. Hayes is no doubt a world class rider. It's my opinion that he would have been there or thereabouts on just about any decent brand.

Anyone that thinks hayes is just a "decent" rider is out of touch.

You lot may also want to listen to Brandt as he has gridded up with him after all.
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could it be the level of competition??
I dont know, dont watch AMA much as I'd like,
what did he do prior to graves Yamaha?
How'd he stack up against Ben and Matt??
How many other "factory" bikes are there out there??

I remember he did pretty good on a WSS ride a while back.

Maybe like Checa and the Duc last year in WSBK, everything just gelling right.

I'd never describe him as just decent though
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could it be the level of competition??
I dont know, dont watch AMA much as I'd like,
what did he do prior to graves Yamaha?
How'd he stack up against Ben and Matt??
How many other "factory" bikes are there out there??

I remember he did pretty good on a WSS ride a while back.

Maybe like Checa and the Duc last year in WSBK, everything just gelling right.

I'd never describe him as just decent though
He was the 2006 and 2007 (I think those years are correct) FX champion in the AMA. All he wanted was a factory ride and no one would give it to him. Finally Yamaha gave him a chance and we get what we have here. BTW, Josh isn't that much faster this year than he was last year, all of the others are just slower. He is still a machine though, quick and efficient.
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He was the 2006 and 2007 (I think those years are correct) FX champion in the AMA. All he wanted was a factory ride and no one would give it to him. Finally Yamaha gave him a chance and we get what we have here. BTW, Josh isn't that much faster this year than he was last year, all of the others are just slower. He is still a machine though, quick and efficient.

The fact he ran pretty much the same lap times this year as last year yet beat the snot out of everyone is strange. Makes you wonder what happened to everyone else. Hayes has consistency on his side. He holds his lines and saves his tires like nobody else. On the right machine, even at his age, I think he would be competitive no matter what series he's in. That R1 has been pretty much built around him and his style. I'm pretty sure the Suzuki was built to Matt Mladin's spec. Now that Blake is the main guy (second year I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) the bike has to be re-tailored to his style. Herrin took to the R1 pretty quick but with no settings for his aggressive riding style, he couldn't hold the pace of Hayes
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Josh Hayes is an animal. A machine. I guess the losers gotta blame something besides themselves. Do you really think any one of those guys would win 16 races on Josh Hayes bike? Doubtful.

Agree 1000%

The guy just works. I guess, for me it's a little grattifying that people are indeed starting to say it isn't him, but the bike as it seems to "me" that his entire career he's had to work harder than anyone else. He's found a way to gap everyone else & deserves his tittles (& the chit-chat that comes with it). Let's not forget how well he did on the M1. I think that alone shows his craft.
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