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Old 10-09-2012, 08:56 PM   #1
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So, I'm finally getting a chance to watch the NOLA round of the AMA and I was wondering why there aren't certain bikes in the line-up. Obviously, I didn't "just" notice this but I was curious as to why you don't see Yamaha in any team other than Graves. Is it a contractual thing or are they the only ones with enough money to throw at it to make it competitive? The same goes for the CBR1000RR. It's had decent success in WSBK and is pretty dominant in BSB but you never see it in AMA. Is it a cost vs performance thing as well? Same for Ducati and Aprilia, both dominant in WSBK but never used in the states. Are they absent due to parts availability or lack of factory support? I also wonder that with the success Kawasaki have had in WSBK this year if we won't see more green next year. I am just curious as both BMW and KTM (of all brands) are making a name for themselves and starting to make improvements at becoming reasonably competitive. Even EBR, a privateer company in every sense of the word, are doing very well. Just wanting to get other thoughts on the absence of several high profile manufacturers in the AMA.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:38 PM   #2
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Larry Pegram is dropping BMW next year because the factory isn't giving him enough (any?) support or even tech numbers from their testing. I forget if that's why he dropped Ducati a couple of years ago as well or not. He's supposed to announce in the next few days what he's riding next year. Honda decided to not support AMA racing a few years back, so therefore no Honda's either. I've heard that the Jordan Suzuki's get very little support as well, compared to the the Graves/Yamaha relationship.

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Is the reason that Suzuki seems to be the dominant privateer brand due to parts and info availability? I'm just curious as to why there aren't more privateer guys running brands such as Honda or even more Yamaha than the Graves.
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Money and Support. Project 1 Atlanta beat the graves supported Yamis, but couldnt' find the funding to continue. Ducati dropped Pegram. I think the reason for that was that AMA went way off the scale with their regs compared to WSB and BSB. Cost was too much to develop different bikes for the series. DMG ticked off Honda and off they went. Attack get nothing from Kawi which is why you don't see their stickers on Attack bikes. I think it may all have to do with the poor worldwide economy and the diference in bikes between AMa and everyone else. The racing is good, but the bikes not as trick. Maybe WSB, BSB will start to look more like AMA bikes & we may see a change, but who knows.
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the Honda takes alot more money to get set up to be able to compete. A couple years ago Honda offered 35K for the champion of WERA Superbike, if they rode a Honda. Brian Stokes admitted he put 35K into the bike to win 35K.
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Hopefully with AMA gaining popularity it'll attract new sponsors and get more bike diversity in the field.
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Is the reason that Suzuki seems to be the dominant privateer brand due to parts and info availability?
The Suzuki may be the dominant privateer brand in the SuperBike class, but in the Datoyna Superbike and SuperSport classes the R6 fills the grid. In fact, 22 of the 33 entries in DSB were on R6's and 21 out of 35 in SuperSport.
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One of Mladins biggest complaints about the 08-09 bikes was that they were NOTHING like the superbikes of just few years before. With all the rules and regs just on the bikes it's no wonder you don't see many of the other names lasting long with many riders filling seats. Seems Yamaha (Graves) and Suzuki get the most support. It is cool to see KTM mixing it up wit them though.

Look at MotoGP. It won't be long before there's no prototypes, just CRT bikes.

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The Suzuki may be the dominant privateer brand in the SuperBike class, but in the Datoyna Superbike and SuperSport classes the R6 fills the grid. In fact, 22 of the 33 entries in DSB were on R6's and 21 out of 35 in SuperSport.

I was referring more to the liter bike class. Without a doubt, R6 makes up the majority of the smaller classes.
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Yeah, seeing KTM and the EBR bikes out there is nice. It would be interesting to see how well a prepped RSV4 would do in the series.
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and here I was thinking about a BMW.. lol
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and here I was thinking about a BMW.. lol


EBR is only $40k. It's $45k for the full carbon version.
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Money and Support. Project 1 Atlanta beat the graves supported Yamis, but couldnt' find the funding to continue. Ducati dropped Pegram. I think the reason for that was that AMA went way off the scale with their regs compared to WSB and BSB. Cost was too much to develop different bikes for the series. DMG ticked off Honda and off they went. Attack get nothing from Kawi which is why you don't see their stickers on Attack bikes. I think it may all have to do with the poor worldwide economy and the diference in bikes between AMa and everyone else. The racing is good, but the bikes not as trick. Maybe WSB, BSB will start to look more like AMA bikes & we may see a change, but who knows.

From what I've seen, BSB has very diverse sponsorship also. , Cadbury sponsored Yamaha back in the 90's.
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From what I've seen, BSB has very diverse sponsorship also. , Cadbury sponsored Yamaha back in the 90's.
and Durex "covered" Suzuki once upon a time
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