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Old 10-08-2012, 08:44 PM   #1
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stainless steel lines, never ending air

I have been using both a vacuum bleeder and the old school bleeder and I keep getting tons of air out. any ideas? im usually pretty good at this stuff myself, but im stumped
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I have been using both a vacuum bleeder and the old school bleeder and I keep getting tons of air out. any ideas? im usually pretty good at this stuff myself, but im stumped
installed galfer parallel lines, with new crush washer between all fittings.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:53 PM   #3
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did mine recently manually(my first time), didnt have any problems once i started actually doing it right..
-squeeze lever and hold
-crack bleeder
-close bleeder
-release lever
-repeat
have you tried manually doing it?
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Yes, ive now gone through a bottle of galfer fluid and a bottle of prestone dot 4
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any leaking fluid anywhere
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The whole system uses less than a bottle. You've used two?
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any leaking fluid anywhere
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The whole system uses less than a bottle. You've used two?
Yes because I keep getting air out, so I have to top off the reservoir.
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Its most likely not air in the system, it's air leaking around the bleed valve and back into the vacuum hose.

Just pump it up and bleed manually.
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Its most likely not air in the system, it's air leaking around the bleed valve and back into the vacuum hose.

Just pump it up and bleed manually.
I was thinking the same. How does the brake feel when you close the bleeder? stiff like it should be and not squishy?
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I personally start by opening the bleeders on both calipers, and pumping the lever until fluid is squirting out of both calipers. Close ALL bleeders. Bleed left caliper manually, bleed right caliper manually, bleed master cylinder. Rebleed all in same order. 99% of the time I'll be done at this point. Occasionally I'll need to rebleed the master. The whole thing should use, maybe, half a bottle of fluid.
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It was suggested on another forum to let it sit up overnight and re-bleed the MC. It'll let any stray air bubbles travel up.
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now that air isn't an issue, the lines have been bleed.

I installed my EBC HH pads and they have so much friction on the rotors even when the handle isn't pulled in. its like the pistons in the calipers aren't retracting as they should.

I am also getting a lot more braking force on the right side, the left side will feel cold and the right side will feel hot like it just came out the oven.

I am so stumped on this I want to almost throw the bike in the truck and take it to Patrick to see what his thoughts are.
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probably dirty pistons pop them out and clean them.
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probably dirty pistons pop them out and clean them.
ya im about to go do that.
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Pins and pistons aren't sticking? Rusty? I usually give my pistons a good cleaning when I bleed the brakes. Both set of pads the same?
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Always clean them up before pushing them back in.
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Ok, so still, I am getting much more breaking power on the right caliper.

Keep in mind, that:

1. I have installed parallel stainless steel brake lines
2. I have installed new EBC HH pads
3. I have Bled all air out, all I receive on either end is liquids.
4. I have fully disassembled my calipers and cleaned the boars and pistons. They are like new!

I am possibly thinking that one rotor is possibly larger then the other?

I have a set of rotors from when I wrecked my ninja earlier this year, they are like new so I plan to swap the rotors out as the ones im running currently are much older and have much more wear. I hope this is the solution.
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Ok, so still, I am getting much more breaking power on the right caliper.

Keep in mind, that:

1. I have installed parallel stainless steel brake lines
2. I have installed new EBC HH pads
3. I have Bled all air out, all I receive on either end is liquids.
4. I have fully disassembled my calipers and cleaned the boars and pistons. They are like new!

I am possibly thinking that one rotor is possibly larger then the other?

I have a set of rotors from when I wrecked my ninja earlier this year, they are like new so I plan to swap the rotors out as the ones im running currently are much older and have much more wear. I hope this is the solution.
Hopefully that will solve your problem. DIY projects can be a pain sometimes.
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Have you mic'd the rotor to see if one side is, in fact, larger than the other? Sucks you are going through this but it seems like you are creating more work for yourself. Hope you figure it out.
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I dont have the tool to check to see if they are different, might be easier to just flip the wheel for a test to see if its the rotor then put new rotors on it.
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