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Old 10-04-2012, 06:49 AM   #21
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ABS is like a gun:

I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it!
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:50 AM   #22
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Buying race bike, go non-ABS

Buying street bike, go ABS
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The reason I'm asking this is because I'm thinking about buying a liter bike and I don't know if I should get one with ABS.
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You're not ready for a liter bike dude.

But I can't stop ya from getting one.
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I'd prefer ABS... and it's one of the things that makes me consider which bike to look at. In a panic, all "training" goes out the window. I MAY be able to keep my cool... but I'd rather just grab a fist full and focus on other things. And, statistics have shown that 1/2 the public has below average reaction times and and ability to stay calm in a panic situation (reaction time being can you release and regrab brake if it starts to slide).

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I wonder if abs would prevent those low speed falls that I often see when a rider is turning and grabs the front brake too hard.
Nope. That's not wheel slide, that's the bike suddenly becoming stationary while leaned over.

It WOULD stop all those people who slide the front and dump it while coming to a stop on paint/man hole cover.


The added "spongy" feeling would be from added brake lines (length, and more rubber lines)... if all the lines are hard or steel braided... shouldn't be a difference.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:45 AM   #27
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The only negative on the CBR ABS is that it makes the bike more difficult to perform some maintenance and not everyone knows how to service them. Some are not even aware that the ABS model has a different battery than the standard model
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I have never ridden with it, I just assume it would be like a slipper clutch. I grew up rdiing without one, but once you experience it, things would feel weird without it.
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You're not ready for a liter bike dude.

But I can't stop ya from getting one.
Try not to thread jack please. I knew right when I said that someone would have a comment. The reason I want one is because I ride R1s all the time at work and test rode a coworkers R1 yesterday after we closed. I completely fell in love with the torque.
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Thanks to all for some excellent comments and opinions and experiences. For about a year my "dream bike" had to have ABS. My hope was for a Triumph STR with ABS, and the Brits did that. Getting one probably would have involved waiting at least to the very end of 2012, and likely early 2013.

But, impatience won out and that gorgeous Italian style, and the overly powerful Triumph is seen as a safety negative for me. I bought a new Moto Guzzi V7R, without ABS. Now why is that? Riding a lot of gravel-wet roads on my Kawa EX 500, even with the relatively poor quality tires and brakes, taught me brake modulation.

The new Guzzi has fantastic Brembo brakes and Pirelli Sport Demon tires. Handling is very predictable also, including throttle response. I have already been in emergency braking situations ( who doesn't?) and the V7R is a fast stopper, very fast. I have yet to go right to the edge stopping though, but I know it will happen sooner or later.

Given all the above, yes I wish Moto Guzzi offered ABS. ABS in the end was not the primary factor in my buying decision. I think the motorcycle industry is moving rapidly towards offering ABS on almost all street bikes. The costs will come down, the technology is proven, and the weight issues are minimal. If MG comes out with a small block bike in the coming years with ABS: I may very well buy one.

ABS on Houston streets makes a lot of sense to me. We have a lot of wet weather, although I typically avoid riding on slick streets. We have a lot of construction in Ft. Bend county: dirty-muddy roads, gravel, leaves and right now millions of acorns spewed on every residential street acting like little ball bearings. The cagers pull their surprise left turns, and then there are suicidal squirrels. So, yeah ABS makes sense, but next bike.
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I have never ridden with it, I just assume it would be like a slipper clutch. I grew up rdiing without one, but once you experience it, things would feel weird without it.
If you're near lockup everytime you brake, then yea, you might feel a difference
Normal riding, normal braking, the ABS is asleep. The brakes work without the ignition key, but the ABS only works with the engine running
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I'm like alot of riders that believed ABS was useless on a sportbike or cruiser,Until one day riding i had a car cross two lanes on the highway i was on the fast lane and a medium on my left i was doing about 90 mph.the moron crosses and dose not see me i could ownly hit the brakes.the ABS did its thing.the Breaks pumped softly .it was an instaned reaction.i could not go left or right just slam on the breaks.the bike was straight and did not slide in either direcetion.I'm a beliver now
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More like spending my paychecks. Come visit me at Katy Yamaha anytime. And I get discounts on track days because one of my superiors works for fastline.
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Threshold braking will reduce speed faster than abs will slow you down. This requires readjusting the brakes every time the wheel gives a small squeal. Slightly releasing and then reapplying. If practiced often should be second nature in a panic situation.
That's what ABS does, except hundreds of times a second. I doubt even the best racer in the world can do it faster than a couple of times a second.

The biggest problem with ABS is riding on dirt, sandy or gravel roads. Street riding on hard surface, ABS is transparent. Racing is a different story, but even for track day riding for most skill levels, except the very advanced, ABS is still of benefit and won't distract from learning.

ABS, the current ones anyway, works while the bike in leaned over - up to a certain point. The ABS sensor will detect slippage due to the wheel locking up, but it will not know if the tire is slipping laterally. That's the job for Traction Control and slip angle detection.
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Ive had ABS on two bikes. Ive used them probably 2-3 times tops. But guess what, that was worth it. Great thing is a lot of bikes have SWITCHABLE ABS. Win-Win in my opinion.
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You can always pull the ABS fuse on the CBR
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Try not to thread jack please. I knew right when I said that someone would have a comment. The reason I want one is because I ride R1s all the time at work and test rode a coworkers R1 yesterday after we closed. I completely fell in love with the torque.
I gave you the first part of my qualified answer, that was just the second part.
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Same goes for the ZX-10R
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Why not have a button that deactivates ABS like BMW does?
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