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Old 09-15-2012, 10:34 PM   #1
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Trying to get started....

So I'm looking to get back into motorcycles, but this time around I'm wanting to go strictly track. The only thing is I never went to a track day nor have I ever did the research to see what all is needed to get in with a good start. I don't like riding the roads anymore and I feel like buying a bike that is already setup for track. I need some suggestions though. I love 1000's and I enjoyed riding the out of them on the streets back in the days, but is it a different beast on the track? Anyone ride a 1000 on the track that can give me some pros and cons about them? Also, I'm a short guy... like 5'5" and I would like to hear more from someone of the same height, as this would make a world of a difference too.
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I would buy a trashy 600 learn have fun and not worry about laying it down if it happens, then go in the direction you want.


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definitely get a 600...i have taken my 1000 to the track, and although i had a blast, something tells me that i would have had more fun on a 600...
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i would suggest caging it to a trackday and spend some time walking around looking at the bikes and talking to the guys about what you see that you like the looks of...
sit in the stands and watch a few sessions focus on a couple of riders and watch how they run...
for myself seeing how things go helps me more than just reading about it on a forum.
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i would suggest caging it to a trackday and spend some time walking around looking at the bikes and talking to the guys about what you see that you like the looks of...
sit in the stands and watch a few sessions focus on a couple of riders and watch how they run...
for myself seeing how things go helps me more than just reading about it on a forum.
, you might even decide a tard is the way to go.

This is the best advise I've heard yet!


My next questions are:

-Where is the nearest track
-How much does it cost to run at the track
-How much does it cost to spectate

Also, aside from buying a track ready bike... about how much on average does a typical person spend monthly or annually to feed this type of hobby? I need to know this as I am trying to make the best decision. I want to get into a fast sport again, but I don't have room for another track car due to another project that I'm working on (none speed related) and I'm assuming that by buying a track ready bike, it'll be more economical for me in the long run. I don't want to hemorrhage a ton of money up front to feed my need for speed and I don't want to constantly dump money into a motor/vehicle after every track day. I know a lot of people that just jump into things without seeing if they can afford it in the long run and I really don't want to make that type of jump. These are my reasons for asking these types of questions. I bet a lot of y'all are confused as to why I'm asking these questions especially since I'm not a noob on this forum, but like I stated earlier... I have never did track on a bike and this part of motorcycling is all new to me, so please be patient with me and only give honest and detailed replies explaining why certain options are the best and list all pros/cons involved no matter if there is an agreement or disagreement of conversation. I want to take in as much as possible so when I do "jump in", I'll feel more comfortable knowing that my money is well spent.
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it looks like you live in seabrook, the closest tracks to you are msrh in angleton and gss in hitchcock....two different types of tracks...gss happens to be my favorite track, but lots of folks do not agree with me on that...it is slower and much more technical, makes you work the bike, makes you ride it, not just twist the wrist....
are you looking to race or just do trackdays?
how many trackdays a year do you anticipate wanting to do?'

if you are looking at just trackdays and not racing, trackdays will vary a little in cost depending on what organization and what track you go to...
GSS with whoopie will be less than $100, msrh will run around $130 to $150 each trackday...
as a spectator there is no fee at those two tracks...
how much you spend will depend on how heavy you get into it...
you will need transportation for the bike, truck or trailer...
you will of course need your gear, helmet, leathers, boots, back protector, gloves...
i believe that the cheapest way to get in will be to buy a bike already set up for track as you mentioned...
the absolute cheapest way would be to buy a used TMGP bike and start of racing TMGP, but that may not be something you would find intersting as you mentioned a 1000 and mini bikes may not be to your liking...
i have never tracked a 1000, but do track my 600 and my mini and in truth the mini is more fun and much cheaper... imo
good luck which ever way you go.
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I want cornering and fast accelerations with quick braking involved. I like 1000's, but only because it is talked up to be a beast and harder to control. I want a challenge, but at the same time I really want the freedom to ride hard and not worry about others pressuring me to over exceed my riding abilities. I'm open to any type of bike too. If it cost less but is still fun to ride, with equal challenges in cornering and acceleration... then that's great too!
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Any bike on track will be a "challenge". If you like liter bikes, get one.

Personally I think the SV is the best track bike to start out with if you like that style motorcycle. Easy to ride and fast enough to get you in trouble, parts are plentiful, and the bike crashes well with decent resale value. You can pick up a track-ready SV for about $3k.

Any of the modern 600's are about the same and so are the liter bikes. Pick one.

Most (if not all) first timers to the track aren't going to be able to tell the difference between bikes or begin to touch the potential of a stock bike's ability, including the SV.

There are several tracks in this area along with track day providers. To be a spectator is (usually) free. Along with the tracks in Angleton and GSS in South Houston, there is Texas World Speedway in College Station which is usually about 1.5 hours from just about anywhere near Houston.

Check the track day providers schedules and drive out to watch. Better yet, hook up with someone who is attending that track day and go with them.

After this, there is racing. Oh yeah, road racing in Texas is the strongest competition in the Country!
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I have done about 10 track days and riding an 09 RSV1000R in intermediate. To be honest, this is a great bike but I suspect a 600 would be a lot more fun on the track, especially GSS and MSRH. I am still at the slower end of intermediate and although I could crush most 600's on the straights, I actually am happy to let the 600s pass me on the straights as most of them are faster than I through the corners, which is where it really counts. And that is just being respectful to my fellow riders.
Start with a 600 and you will have a lot of track days under your belt before you will want to consider upgrading.
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Even the best race horse needs a good rider... A lot of people are stupid fast on a 600 out on the track.. And then you get the 1000 guys gunning It on the straights and parking it in the turns. if you have never been on the track then the easiest way for you to start is on a 600 because it's easier to throw around the track.
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i am getting a 600 and thinking about selling my 1000....i am 5'-9, 135lb..1k is too much of bike for me..
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Thanks guys for all your inputs!

Does anyone own an enclose trailer? If you do, what dimensions are your trailers? I'm looking at prices and I have found a few, but I don't know if it'll be too cramp or not. What suggestions do y'all have?

Also, I've noticed a few track bikes for sale that have street tires on them. How does street tires compare to slicks and how long do they last in comparison? Maybe the owners took the slicks off so they can use them on another track bike???
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Kinda depends on your intended use. Is it just for bike and gear? A 4x6 will get it done...barely. A 5x9 will give you some space, and allow you to grow into it as you get more serious (generators, stands, tirewarmers, etc)

Both of these assume you don't have a pickup bed to toss stuff into as well.

Now if you want something that's big enough to camp in....

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Also, I've noticed a few track bikes for sale that have street tires on them. How does street tires compare to slicks and how long do they last in comparison? Maybe the owners took the slicks off so they can use them on another track bike???
All depends on pace. I've run Pilot Power 2CTs all the way to mid-intermediate pace, and they had traction left. They lasted forever too as you're only riding 100 miles or so a day. Hard miles, but not a lot of them.

It used to be that slicks had insane grip, but no life. So a lot of people stayed with streetish tires unless they were racing. Now however, lots of companies are starting to make "trackday slicks" and/or slicks with just a ton more meat on them so they last a lot longer. I've been running the same pair of Pirellie Superbike Pro slicks at upper-intermediate pace for 10+ trackdays. The thing with slicks is, if you're going to spend the money on them and you want them to last, you gotta take care of them. This means investing in stands and tire warmers. Slicks don't like to be heat cycled like a street tire.....although as tire tech improves, they're making slicks that are even more resilient to this as well.

One other note: just because a tire has tread doesn't mean its a street tire. Sure, it has a DOT rating, but every manufacturer is currently making a DOT legal "race" tire. These tires need to be taken care of just like a slick.



This is all just my opinon. The opinion of a guy with a shitload of trackdays under his belt, but still slow.
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Kinda depends on your intended use. Is it just for bike and gear? A 4x6 will get it done...barely. A 5x9 will give you some space, and allow you to grow into it as you get more serious (generators, stands, tirewarmers, etc)

Both of these assume you don't have a pickup bed to toss stuff into as well.

Now if you want something that's big enough to camp in....
I have a truck, but I don't want to tow around a bike in the bed (no matter what condition it is in) for everyone to see and know what I have. I want a sense of security if I decided to go into a store or eat somewhere indoors before/after a track day. I like that the 4x6 trailers are cheap and floating around for sale everywhere... even if I were to get serious, it would be so far down the road that I'll have more money to invest into my hobby by then. I am mearly concerned about the bike fitting in the trailer.



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All depends on pace. I've run Pilot Power 2CTs all the way to mid-intermediate pace, and they had traction left. They lasted forever too as you're only riding 100 miles or so a day. Hard miles, but not a lot of them.

It used to be that slicks had insane grip, but no life. So a lot of people stayed with streetish tires unless they were racing. Now however, lots of companies are starting to make "trackday slicks" and/or slicks with just a ton more meat on them so they last a lot longer. I've been running the same pair of Pirellie Superbike Pro slicks at upper-intermediate pace for 10+ trackdays. The thing with slicks is, if you're going to spend the money on them and you want them to last, you gotta take care of them. This means investing in stands and tire warmers. Slicks don't like to be heat cycled like a street tire.....although as tire tech improves, they're making slicks that are even more resilient to this as well.

One other note: just because a tire has tread doesn't mean its a street tire. Sure, it has a DOT rating, but every manufacturer is currently making a DOT legal "race" tire. These tires need to be taken care of just like a slick.



This is all just my opinon. The opinion of a guy with a shitload of trackdays under his belt, but still slow.
Great information!

I know how I am, when buying something used... I change everything from fluids to tires out immediately. I want to make sure I'm on schedule with everything from the first day. I was concerned about tires because I don't know if buying "race" tires up front will benefit me if I'm still in the "learning stage" of track racing. But then again, if I learn quickly I'll want to change tires prematurely.
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I have a truck, but I don't want to tow around a bike in the bed (no matter what condition it is in) for everyone to see and know what I have. I want a sense of security if I decided to go into a store or eat somewhere indoors before/after a track day. I like that the 4x6 trailers are cheap and floating around for sale everywhere... even if I were to get serious, it would be so far down the road that I'll have more money to invest into my hobby by then. I am mearly concerned about the bike fitting in the trailer.
I've stayed in a few shady motel 6 type places in other states with a bike on an open trailer and nothing has happened. The odds of you having your bike lifted while you're eating a cheeseburger are pretty slim. I'd say they're about equal to someone just running off with your entire enclosed trailer...which I have heard happening. But hey, if you've got the coin for an enclose, go for it. A 4x6 will likely work for a single bike + some gear, but you'll probably have to put the bike in at an angle to get the gate to come up.





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I know how I am, when buying something used... I change everything from fluids to tires out immediately. I want to make sure I'm on schedule with everything from the first day. I was concerned about tires because I don't know if buying "race" tires up front will benefit me if I'm still in the "learning stage" of track racing. But then again, if I learn quickly I'll want to change tires prematurely.
I wouldn't worry about what tires are on the bike you're buying.
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A 4x6 will likely work for a single bike + some gear, but you'll probably have to put the bike in at an angle to get the gate to come up.
Sounds like an inconvenience to me then
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