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Old 09-13-2012, 04:11 PM   #21
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also just figured out i was using the wrong buell model suspension chart, but then i came across a stock chart vs an "aggressive" chart for my model developed by a buell factory test rider.
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Sounds like you are on the right track!

The symptoms you describe tell me the front needs to drop or the rear raise, and a little less rebound on the forks for starters.
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yeah i understand what all the settings do(applied from cars) it's just trying to apply everything to a two wheeled vehicle thats 3000 lb's lighter.

so the factory settings(my starting point) felt too divey under braking, and felt like it rocked back too much on the rear under acceleration. so i guess my main worry is weight transfer.

and the way i see it, i'd rather learn all this stuff myself. give a man a fish, feed him for a day. teach him how to fish, feed him for a life time.
The major difference betwen a car and a bike is that in a car the driver weight is so insignificant that you can setup the car, and anyone (save truly obese people) can hop in, and drive it. Your body weight makes up ~20% of the total package on a bike, and therefore the bike suspension needs to be specifically tailored to you.

A lot of bikes have "factory settings" for a 160 lb. rider tooling around on the street. Not exactly a good starting point for the average 200 lb Texan who wants to rail backroads.
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A lot of bikes have "factory settings" for a 160 lb. rider tooling around on the street. Not exactly a good starting point for the average 200 lb Texan who wants to rail backroads.
He mentioned he is more towards the 130 end of things me thinks....

Darn light weights...


Wish I could see something close to that 200 lbs on my scale...
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He mentioned he is more towards the 130 end of things me thinks....

Darn light weights...


Wish I could see something close to that 200 lbs on my scale...
130 lbs., and the front end has too much dive? Da fuq?
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130 lbs., and the front end has too much dive? Da fuq?
yeah i know...and prior to that it was too rigid. took the bike out for a romp today and it felt a little better than last time. thanks to the "aggressive" settings i found. narrowed the chicken strips by about 1/4" or so. and that was with having to work around traffic. front end is wobbling again, but not till about 100+, before it would be at 80. took it down a real bumpy/curvy road to see how it felt. cornering at ~60-70 mph feels pretty stable. i'm really getting to the point to tune it any further i'm gonna have to grow some bigger

one other thing is my front brakes. before they used to be grabby when cold, now they are getting grabby even when hot. ill be applying pressure steadily, then it'll get kinda vague, then i'll apply a little more pressure and it'll grab all of a sudden and load up the forks.
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yeah i know...and prior to that it was too rigid. took the bike out for a romp today and it felt a little better than last time. thanks to the "aggressive" settings i found. narrowed the chicken strips by about 1/4" or so. and that was with having to work around traffic. front end is wobbling again, but not till about 100+, before it would be at 80. took it down a real bumpy/curvy road to see how it felt. cornering at ~60-70 mph feels pretty stable. i'm really getting to the point to tune it any further i'm gonna have to grow some bigger

one other thing is my front brakes. before they used to be grabby when cold, now they are getting grabby even when hot. ill be applying pressure steadily, then it'll get kinda vague, then i'll apply a little more pressure and it'll grab all of a sudden and load up the forks.

Put a zip to around the chrome part of the fork tube. Push up against the dust seal. Ride back roads. see how much travel of the suspension you're using.
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Put a zip to around the chrome part of the fork tube. Push up against the dust seal. Ride back roads. see how much travel of the suspension you're using.
fuark, i knew i was forgetting something

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I follow Dave Moss on Facebook or his website www.feelthetrack.com Lots of info on suspension.
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From brake marker to apex issues are usually the front end, apex to exit is usually the rear. When you get back on the gas and the front is getting weird it usually means the rear is squatting to much causing the front end to get light. This is also why you will run wide in turns on the exit. Try adding compression in the rear.
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From brake marker to apex issues are usually the front end, apex to exit is usually the rear. When you get back on the gas and the front is getting weird it usually means the rear is squatting to much causing the front end to get light. This is also why you will run wide in turns on the exit. Try adding compression in the rear.
but i only weigh like 135(no gear) i wouldn't expect the the rear to be squatting that much. or am i just a bawss on the throttle?

here's something i copied from a buell site:

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to improve steering quickness and cornering easier

first: increase rear shock preload one position

if more is desired: reduce front preload one line

if more is desired: increase rear compression clockwise one quarter to one half turn

if more is desired: increase front rebound clockwise one quarter turn
supposed to be from the same factory test rider.
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