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Old 08-16-2012, 04:00 AM   #1
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Need some input... Beginner

Hey new to the forum and looking to buy a bike soon, any suggestions?!

Can't decide between CBR 600, R6, and GSXR

I'd like some input from more experienced riders, reasons why or why not to purchase one.

Beginner so looking to probably purchase a used bike to gain some experience on.

Thanks in advance, look forward to everyone's input.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:59 AM   #2
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1. will you plan to wear helmet and jacket at the very least?
2. do u like to go fast and do wheelies?
3. do you have any experience at all at riding anything smaller than a 600cc bike?
4. how old are you?

I got a 600cc cruiser for my first bike. It's fine from 0-55. after that kinda meh.. on a straight. Top speed was 85mph.. after a year riding, bought a 600RR. Got it up to 160 on the speedo.. so about 140 real speed? from 0-35 mph, i really like riding the cruiser. has beefy torque and a rumble that annoys the rider behind you. The RR didn't really give me the feel of a fun factor until rpm's were singing at 9000. Then the dual injectors kick in and it shoots u off.
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Too tired to really go into it right now but you are going to get a lot of responses that will tell you that a gsxr is too much for a beginner (which is generally true) and then a bunch of superbadasses saying that their first bike was a supersport and they are alive so therefore its not bad.

Just understand that these machines can and will kill you with the slightest mistake. (Yours or someone else's)
My suggestion would be to start on something slightly more forgiving like an 650R or something to that effect. After all it is your first bike... not your last.

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I asked the questions because I have been down on my bike. (on the driveway twice)
first without gear... and second time with a helmet and a jacket. first time i had a a bruise on my forehead, raw forearms and gaping knee. Not deep enough to see bone.. but deep enough to think about my riding habits. The second fall, i had a helmet, jeans and jacket on. ripped the jeans.. mildly skinned the knee, big scratch on right side of helmet. Both were going 5 mph or less. One was going up the driveway, the other was going down (leaving). But if ure really set in stone on wanting a 600cc for a first bike, I have a CBR and it's comfortable for me.
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:11 AM   #5
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IMO i feel like gsxr's are cheap.. too common, cbrs.. comfortable and reliable, r6 more aggressive stanced and the most fun out of the 3. Ive own all but the gsxr.. thats my input. i love CBR's and R6's. if i had to choose between the 2.. it would be really hard to decide.. but honda would probably take it..
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Don't think we are being dicks either. Take a look through the Rider down threads... we are not in short supply of those.....

Just to be on topic... I like how the gsxr feels and how it delivers power, also since I am short it feels better for me than other sportbikes in that class.
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:47 AM   #7
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Too tired to really go into it right now but you are going to get a lot of responses that will tell you that a gsxr is too much for a beginner (which is generally true) and then a bunch of superbadasses saying that their first bike was a supersport and they are alive so therefore its not bad.

Just understand that these machines can and will kill you with the slightest mistake. (Yours or someone else's)
My suggestion would be to start on something slightly more forgiving like an 650R or something to that effect. After all it is your first bike... not your last.

Good luck.
Very Well Said..

Id opt for a used SV, Ninja 650....
Get some seat time and ride, have fun and please gear up. Take the MSF
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I have never been on any of the bikes you have mentioned, but, I will second the suggestion of a more forgiving machine as your first. I too am curious to see how you answer the questions that have already been asked and would like to add one.

1. How much are you looking to spend?

Regardless of cost of the bike or your mindset, you will need insurance and an "M" endorsment on your liscense. That should be your priority if you have not already done so. In addition to checking out the "rider down" threads, you should also check out all the "my bike was stolen" threads. Good luck and welcome to MH.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:09 AM   #9
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Call an insurance agent, ask them how much it would cost for full coverage (you'll need it if you finance the bike) for the bikes you mentioned vs something more relaxed.
If you still want a supersport after that then any of the choices you named will be fine.
There's not one that is noticeably faster, comfyer, better than another.

My advice from the cost/safety aspect would be stay away from SS bikes for a while.

There's a reason we don't start new drivers in formula 1 cars.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:32 AM   #10
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The bikes you listed might make great SECOND bikes after you get some training and actual street experience. Pick a correct bike not one that just looks good. Thats the wrong reason to get into riding.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:34 AM   #11
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Yeah I generally say first bike is a 250 but... I started on an SV650 which is a great starter bike and a ton of fun... so much fun I haven't wanted to move up to an i4...
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Get something cheap and comfortable. Ride 2 months and if you still like riding, buy a600
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Based on the info provided - my suggestion would be to take the MSF course and then pick up a used ninja 250. Once you get comfortable/familiar with riding you can trade it in or sell it (good resale value) and move up to a larger cc bike.

An inline 4 right out of the gate is not a wise decision in my opinion.

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Old 08-16-2012, 07:53 AM   #14
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take the MSF.. buy the bike that you want.. I've seen people start off from hayabusas to R1's !
so it's all up to you, I would not recommend something new however (if it's your 1st bike) a 600 would be good, and if you ride on a daily basis you can grow into the bike within the first 6 months. so smaller bike than that (other than financial purposes) is a waste of money, but if you got money to spare, buy a 250, ride it, learn it, and then 4-6 months later upgrade to a 600.
remember MSF first, and gear all the time whatever you choose
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Disclosure: I didn't take this advice.

A supersport (like the ones you listed) will do EXACTLY what you tell it to do. EXACTLY. The problem is - if this is your first bike your input to the bike will not be very good at all. You won't have precise throttle control, steering technique, body position, or braking skill. You don't want to be on a machine that will PUNISH you for your mistakes (which you will make - and lots of them). Just little errors or imprecision (not smooth enough here, adjusting a little late there, etc...) will be amplified by the bike and you can find yourself in deep trouble without any way to correct it. Why? Your reflexes right now will tell you to do the opposite of what is necessary to regain control over the bike. You have to train those reflexes to do the right thing.

That means you need a bike that will forgive your mistakes. If you want something small and light, go with a Ninja 250 (or 500, even), or an GS500 or SV650. They are excellent bikes.

On the other hand, if you absolutely must have a supersport, the ones you listed are all very good, each made with high manufacturing standards. If you're buying used and it's your first bike, I would focus more on finding one in good mechanical condition, decent looking (since you'll drop it in the driveway your first month), and at a good price. If you are a new rider, the differences between the models are too subtle for you to appreciate. It would be like me looking at high-end chef knives. They're different, sure. But in ways I don't understand and can't yet notice.

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^^ This.

Don't limit the mistakes to you, though. Morphish is right about supersports amplifiying incorrect inputs. You have to assume that: a) you are completely invisible on the bike, and no drivers see you, and; b) every driver will do the dumbest possible thing at every opportunity. Your inexperience alone would be survivable if you've got some sense. But couple it with a road full of idiots, who don't mean anything by it, but will kill you by accident, and you need to give yourself a little margin for error.

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A supersport (like the ones you listed) will do EXACTLY what you tell it to do. EXACTLY. The problem is - if this is your first bike your input to the bike will not be very good at all. You won't have precise throttle control, steering technique, body position, or braking skill. You don't want to be on a machine that will PUNISH you for your mistakes (which you will make - and lots of them). Just little errors or imprecision (not smooth enough here, adjusting a little late there, etc...) will be amplified by the bike and you can find yourself in deep trouble without any way to correct it. Why? Your reflexes right now will tell you to do the opposite of what is necessary to regain control over the bike. You have to train those reflexes to do the right thing.

That means you need a bike that will forgive your mistakes. If you want something small and light, go with a Ninja 250 (or 500, even), or an GS500 or SV650. They are excellent bikes.

On the other hand, if you absolutely must have a supersport, the ones you listed are all very good, each made with high manufacturing standards. If you're buying used and it's your first bike, I would focus more on finding one in good mechanical condition, decent looking (since you'll drop it in the driveway your first month), and at a good price. If you are a new rider, the differences between the models are too subtle for you to appreciate. It would be like me looking at high-end chef knives. They're different, sure. But in ways I don't understand and can't yet notice.

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This is extremely well put and a good explanation!
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morphish.. this should be the official post for any one getting a new bike! hands down broda!
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Do you have ANY riding experience at all? If not, 600cc SS are not exactly the best tool to be learning with. They make their power at the upper end of the RPM, so you'd be constantly shifting. That's one more thing you have to mess with while you're trying to learning how to balance/clutch/steer/brake.

You can kill yourself on ANY bike, if you don't have the right mindset about it. I agree with everybody here that SS is not ideal as a first bike., but I also know for a lot of younguns looking to get into motorcyling, the image of a badass race replica is too hard to resist. Many will buy one regardless.

So if you must... of the three, I vote GSXR. The ergos are the easiest to get used to. Crash parts are plenty on ebay, cus there are so many of them sold. CBR isn't bad if you happen to find one. Honda typically has an edge on quality. R6 is the favorite track tool for a lot of weekend racers, with power band that's the peakiest.

Don't overlook the Triumph Daytona. The triple is more user-friendly for a beginner, but still has the SS look and feel. The Street Triple has the same engine, tuned for better low and mid-range power.
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