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Old 01-21-2007, 08:08 PM   #41
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Just a few things to add to this.
A Race DOT will offer the extra margin for error that a street DOT will not. Sure a ex AMA pro turned a 1:55 on BT-014, but for mere mortals (like myself) that is a tall order.
I believe a (insert brand of choice) race tire will help keep the plastics off the ground in most cases. A race tire will allow you to recover a mistake easier & as you gain speed there really shouldn't ever be a problem with sticking with that same tire.

Just a couple of bits of insite into "I don't need race tires for trackdays because I am not fast enough"
I've seen people wreck doing things that a race tire would have done easily. Mainly trail braking (tricky thing to learn) or picking up the throttle early. I go to the track to have fun and "try" a few things. Not going out & trying to do my fastest lap ever, but when finding some of my personal limits, I'd rather know that the tires are going to be there. The street tire MAY do it, but it will usually be a bit "lively" if you get my point.

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Old 01-21-2007, 09:43 PM   #42
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Just a few things to add to this.
A Race DOT will offer the extra margin for error that a street DOT will not. Sure a ex AMA pro turned a 1:55 on BT-014, but for mere mortals (like myself) that is a tall order.
I believe a (insert brand of choice) race tire will help keep the plastics off the ground in most cases. A race tire will allow you to recover a mistake easier & as you gain speed there really shouldn't ever be a problem with sticking with that same tire.

Just a couple of bits of insite into "I don't need race tires for trackdays because I am not fast enough"
I've seen people wreck doing things that a race tire would have done easily. Mainly trail braking (tricky thing to learn) or picking up the throttle early. I go to the track to have fun and "try" a few things. Not going out & trying to do my fastest lap ever, but when finding some of my personal limits, I'd rather know that the tires are going to be there. The street tire MAY do it, but it will usually be a bit "lively" if you get my point.

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agreed some non race dots are really predictable some are not. all race dots are predictable some more so then others but all good.
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Old 01-21-2007, 10:35 PM   #43
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Just a few things to add to this.
A Race DOT will offer the extra margin for error that a street DOT will not. Sure a ex AMA pro turned a 1:55 on BT-014, but for mere mortals (like myself) that is a tall order.
I believe a (insert brand of choice) race tire will help keep the plastics off the ground in most cases. A race tire will allow you to recover a mistake easier & as you gain speed there really shouldn't ever be a problem with sticking with that same tire.

Just a couple of bits of insite into "I don't need race tires for trackdays because I am not fast enough"
I've seen people wreck doing things that a race tire would have done easily. Mainly trail braking (tricky thing to learn) or picking up the throttle early. I go to the track to have fun and "try" a few things. Not going out & trying to do my fastest lap ever, but when finding some of my personal limits, I'd rather know that the tires are going to be there. The street tire MAY do it, but it will usually be a bit "lively" if you get my point.

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Are you trying to tell me I need to upgrade to BT002's? :icon_bigg
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I believe you fall into a large boat with many other trackday riders. You've ridden enough trackdays that you know what to expect. Your comfortable on the track and lets face it, you come to a trackday to ride fast. Maybe not pushing to the limit, but certainly not just tooling around. I see many riders in this group. I believe it would save a lot of wrecks and problems if more people rode trackdays on track/race tires.

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My experience is alittle diff.I've used btoo2's & pi slicks.To me the slicks slide more gradually,have alot more side grip & last longer.The bt's had a wider ambient operating range(worked better in temp extremes).I ran both dot's & slicks on the same bike last year & am def.alot more comfortable on the slicks
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My experience is alittle diff.I've used btoo2's & pi slicks.To me the slicks slide more gradually,have alot more side grip & last longer.The bt's had a wider ambient operating range(worked better in temp extremes).I ran both dot's & slicks on the same bike last year & am def.alot more comfortable on the slicks
Yeah, but look at your sig... you have CMRA and CHAMPION in it. :laughing6

Most guys in this thread aren't quite up to that pace... :icon_bigg
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Isn't this thread about dot vs slicks?Just sharing my experience,my confidence on the bike went way up after the switch to slicks-but thats just me.The guy I got my bike from was around 11 sec a lap faster than me at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on dot's
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I know sweeny, and the one major change he made was not the tires exactly. He changed from 17'' wheels to 16.5'' wheels. Obviously you can't get DOT tires in 16.5'' sizes so he changed to slicks. The 16.5'' wheels really change the way the bike turns and the way it feels under braking. The problem lies with the fact that you seriously limit your tire choices. Slicks only, and only Dunlop, Pirelli & Michelin import 16.5'' slicks. Usually in limited compound selections.

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I think it is time Stephe O dipped into the piggy bank and finally gave some track tires a chance on the track.
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I think it is time Stephe O dipped into the piggy bank and finally gave some track tires a chance on the track.
Unfortunately I've got more important things to save for... if you're buying, DOT tires I'm a trying! :laughing6
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thanks guyz, good discussion!
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Unfortunately I've got more important things to save for... if you're buying, DOT tires I'm a trying! :laughing6
You can take my bike for a spin with them on. Swift has a similar bike to yours fitted with the BT002. Maybe he would let you take it out for a few laps as well.
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You can take my bike for a spin with them on. Swift has a similar bike to yours fitted with the BT002. Maybe he would let you take it out for a few laps as well.
Moody, can I too take ur bike for a spin if i come back?:icon_bigg
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I'm a track junkie and I did a few days on some slicks with warmers and I LOVED it. The tires seem to stick like Glue then, John & Patrick got me into some BT002s and HOLY these are just as if not mo betta!!!

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btw... speedismo, your more than welcome to give the bike a few laps on these if you like
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