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Old 01-19-2007, 09:49 PM   #21
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You need to go to a tire dealer that races and sells race tires at the track for racers. He is going to be able to set you up with what you need. And be able to explain everything you need to know.
I get mine from John at South Central Race Center. aka Kawi jm.
Harder compound will last longer. But if you want the best traction, softer compound for colder conditions and harder for warmer.
Slicks aren't going to last as long as dots.
Inless your within a few seconds of the track record, you'll go right back to the dots.
If your Supercorsas still look good after 4 plus track days, you could easily get away with a street/track tire.
After 4 track days those supercorsas have to be getting hard from all the heat cycles.
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They prolly are gettin' hard and thats why I was wonderin' about different tires. Just thought slicks might make for an interesting experiment.
John is the best resource we have for race tire info.
I guess I will give up on slicks and go back with supercorsas, they seem to have worked well for me.
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Maybe Kawi jm would wanna discuss pricing on a set o tars for the ol' seben fiddy??
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I tried the slicks too. Just wanted to know for myself. They do get better traction, but don't last as long. And $$$. And I'm far from having traction problems. I think if you tried the 002's you'd be very happy. They last long, good traction, and absorb the bumps better than most.
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I tried the slicks too. Just wanted to know for myself. They do get better traction, but don't last as long. And $$$. And I'm far from having traction problems. I think if you tried the 002's you'd be very happy. They last long, good traction, and absorb the bumps better than most.
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I heard you the first time ! lol
What do you think of pirelli's? I only ask cuz I been happy wit them.
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I read that article.
A couple of problems I had with the test.
1) they used 2 different bikes for each brand. Michelins on a R1 & Dunlops on a ZX6R.
2) They put a Michelin rider on the Michelins & Trevitt(I think) on the Dunlops
3) They used tire warmers on the racetires before the street test? who does that? why use race tires on the street anyway

I can go on and on. In the end the test concludes nothing. They say each tire brand does some things good & some bad, but overall they were pretty equal....thanks for stating the obvious

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The dimensional data was very useful to me, with respect to setup info. I didn't consider the info from one brand to another useful, however within the same brand the performance differences of various type tires (sport/dot race/slicks) was interesting. You'd have liked the article better if they'd have put your picture in there instead of the bald guy. David Hirsch loved the article! :laughing6
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I really would have liked to seen a back to back comparison of the tires on the same bike, by the same rider.

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I just get amazed at these tire threads... there are maybe 5 people on this entire board who could actually utilize the benefits of a slick.

I've seen guys do 1:55s at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on BT014 street tires. Don't use your tire as a crutch... build your skills first.
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I've seen guys do 1:55s at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on BT014 street tires. Don't use your tire as a crutch... build your skills first.
Ah, you are learning grasshopper! Is it Feb 5th yet?

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If you want to learn about being SMOOOTH and FAST get with ScottyD. Look for the orange lid. Scott really helped me when I started track riding. Ronnie Hay helped me tons as well.

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for our bunch of slow riders that we had for an endurance team slicks wore a lot better then dot tires. We ran middle wgt superbike on a stock f3 so we were allowed either tire. As a team we placed about the same dot or slicks but had more tire left with the slicks. For track days I would not go with slicks unless I was also racing.
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I would go with what ever works out best for you. If it means trying a few differents things, then so be it. As long as you are comfortable with it.
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Thank you Moody. Thats what I was talking about. Learning.
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Thank you Moody. Thats what I was talking about. Learning.
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I read the article in motorcyclist. It was pretty good info.
I wasn't planning on using tires as a crutch as much as a little insurance. My lack of skill has been made obvious by the bike I have now and I thought maybe a better tire would give some wiggle room for a mistake.
I see now that sport tires or maybe dot tires are all I can use and will still give me a margin of error.
Thanks for all the input, maybe a little less sarcasm would be useful too.
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I read the article in motorcyclist. It was pretty good info.
I wasn't planning on using tires as a crutch as much as a little insurance. My lack of skill has been made obvious by the bike I have now and I thought maybe a better tire would give some wiggle room for a mistake.
I see now that sport tires or maybe dot tires are all I can use and will still give me a margin of error.
Thanks for all the input, maybe a little less sarcasm would be useful too.
I didn't think my original post was sarcastic but my second most definitely was... my apologies if it was taken the wrong way.
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I read the article in motorcyclist. It was pretty good info.
I wasn't planning on using tires as a crutch as much as a little insurance. My lack of skill has been made obvious by the bike I have now and I thought maybe a better tire would give some wiggle room for a mistake.
I see now that sport tires or maybe dot tires are all I can use and will still give me a margin of error.
Thanks for all the input, maybe a little less sarcasm would be useful too.
If you are planing on using the tires as insurance then go dot. My time on slicks and dot the dot give you more warning before they drop you on your . Low side more warning High side is often your mistake and either gives you very little warning.

edit ps sometimes high side is Craig M t-boning you still little warning.:laughing6 Hi Craig if you are out there

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I didn't think my original post was sarcastic but my second most definitely was... my apologies if it was taken the wrong way.

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If you are planing on using the tires as insurance then go dot. My time on slicks and dot the dot give you more warning before they drop you on your . Low side more warning High side is often your mistake and either gives you very little warning.

From what I have learned talking to folks and reading, and what the fast guys here have said I think you are right. I have heard that slicks give less warning and the dots I've been using seemed to work well. A big plus is they are cheaper as well.
Again thanks to all and I hope some others have learned from this thread also.
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