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Old 07-22-2012, 05:52 PM   #1
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I finally was able to take the bike to the track for my first time. I am ex road racer so this was all new to me. First mistake was I went yesterday to Ultimate at 3pm and was way to hot and played tennis earlier that morning. But I don't know how you guys do it. Everytime I went into a corner the front end wanted to tuck (it did once). A nice like 5 y.o. asked if I needed help that is how bad it was. Also I could never "jump" this thing because of two thing: one I am scared of heights and two multiple times it felt like my whole body was seperating from the bike, like my feet were comming off the pegs. Shouldn't squeezing my legs against the tank help with that? But I was there for about 1 1/2 hours and maybe got 6 laps in. This was very frusterating to say the least.
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You've got to crawl before you walk.
1) yes it is a new world on the dirt
2) Body positioning in corners is key. As you approach a corner be looking well ahead, the entry to most corners will be rough with braking bumps so try to pick the smoothest entry line.
You should be standing up in the attack position to brake effectively and also to allow your legs and arms to soak up some of the bumps. As you finish braking move smoothly into the cornering position in one fluid movement, that is with your inside leg out and forward to weight the front wheel.
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You've got to crawl before you walk.
1) yes it is a new world on the dirt
2) Body positioning in corners is key. As you approach a corner be looking well ahead, the entry to most corners will be rough with braking bumps so try to pick the smoothest entry line.
You should be standing up in the attack position to brake effectively and also to allow your legs and arms to soak up some of the bumps. As you finish braking move smoothly into the cornering position in one fluid movement, that is with your inside leg out and forward to weight the front wheel.
I read someone here say they leaned away from the turn. Also stand up under braking to almost mid turn? That is what I saw when resting.
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With your leg out weighting the front wheel also put as much weight as you can on the outside footpeg, this is especially important on flat and off camber turns. As you're in the corner you should be looking through the corner picking the exit line you want to follow. One of the tips to remember when cornering in motocross is 'steady in, fast out', brake as late as possible but stay in control as you enter the turn.
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I love this part of riding dirt. I could rail burns and whoops.
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I adjust my positioning just a little more forward in the corners and it made a world of difference, so if your not allready doing it, try it.
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Do u find it easier to go through corners faster than slower because of my front end wants to tuck.
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I adjust my positioning just a little more forward in the corners and it made a world of difference, so if your not allready doing it, try it.
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Do u find it easier to go through corners faster than slower because of my front end wants to tuck.
Yes.. Once you get the feel of the corner you will see it is much better. I too would come in hot in standing position, sit mid turn, leading leg, and getting out quickly.
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I finally was able to take the bike to the track for my first time. I am ex road racer so this was all new to me. First mistake was I went yesterday to Ultimate at 3pm and was way to hot and played tennis earlier that morning. But I don't know how you guys do it. Everytime I went into a corner the front end wanted to tuck (it did once). A nice like 5 y.o. asked if I needed help that is how bad it was. Also I could never "jump" this thing because of two thing: one I am scared of heights and two multiple times it felt like my whole body was seperating from the bike, like my feet were comming off the pegs. Shouldn't squeezing my legs against the tank help with that? But I was there for about 1 1/2 hours and maybe got 6 laps in. This was very frusterating to say the least.
I was in the same boat as you when I started last year but it will come with seat time. Yes, lean outward from the turn... you need to keep your weight vertical over the bike or if you lean with the bike then it will want to wash out. Come out riding with the guys at Rio or where ever and they will help you out, the whole crowd are good bunch of guys. If you really want some help, there is a guy at NX Level who teaches. A bunch of us pitched in $100 for a full day of riding and all we did was basic riding positioning but it helped a ton. He's an ex AMA racer so he knows what he is doing and his teaching was top notch, learned a lot after 1 day and improved tremendously. Nothing but basics in body positioning and cornering. Best $100 I spent in a while.
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nuts on the gas tank deep into the corner, leg out, body upright....elbows out! the scared of heights thing is just gonna take some and following someone faster....start slow, rolling table tops, etc. You will learn real quick that grabbing throttle, tapping brakes, etc. mid air have HUGE impacts on the way you land, etc. I'm still a noob, have a ton to learn, I'm sure I make mistakes all over the track...but it feels comfortable, I clear the basics and have fun. Dirt teaches you all kind of throttle control!

and yes, it's hot as out right now....for me to be out riding in this heat, I either A) really need a break from the wife or B) my friends are insane and twist my arm about 50% of the time....the other 50% of the time I know better and say, " no!"

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+1 to what everyone has said so far.


Seat time and practice. You are still learning how the bike feels and how it reacts. This will also change from track to track with different types of dirt, etc. Body position goes a long way on the MX track along with gripping the bike with your knees. You don't have to death grip the bike with your knees the whole time your on the track but when jumping, it'll give you more control of the bike. Gripping the bike also takes the strain off of your arms and grip so you won't get fatigued soo quickly. Also, keep your elbows up. This also helps with bike control.

When I came into corners, I would brake at the last second and stay off the seat until I transitioned from braking to throttle in the turn. Those braking bumps can get pretty gnarly so try to stay off the seat and let the bike and suspension absorb the bumps until you can sit down and throttle out.

When you are in the turn and about to get on the throttle, you are going to want to keep your weight forward anyway to keep the front tire down anticipating the power to the ground. Keep our inside leg out and weight the outside peg. It all helps.


Another rule of thumb/ tip:

You should never be coasting on the track. You should always either be on the gas or braking. These bikes were designed for it and beg to be ridden that way. Plus, alot of times, the faster you navigate the track, the smoother it feels.
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I forgot to add the most important thing..

Have fun with it! You don't need to push yourself too hard. Over time, you'll get alot more comfortable and get faster and faster..
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Thanks for all the info. I will ride at Ultimate for awhile because it is close to me and from what i have read it isn't the most difficult track. The heat wouldn't be as bad if I was faster, Haha. Will continue to watch other riders because I am a visual person. Can't wait to try again.
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