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Old 01-17-2007, 03:55 PM   #21
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Teenagers forget the general driving experience needed. Just because you know how to race a bike on the track doesn't mean you know how be a defensive driver and anticipate hazards and potentially dangerous situations in traffic or even know how to drive/ride in traffic period.

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Old 01-17-2007, 03:56 PM   #22
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Wheres Max when we need him? lol
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This paragraph is the one to be concerned about:

So what is tiered licensing except more government regulation? You're right -- it is -- but it is far less intrusive regulation than what we're going to end up with if we don't start bringing those appalling accident stats down. Already, in several states, legislation is pending that would simply require that each and every rider purchase supplemental "catastrophic" insurance before being allowed to ride. Insurance experts estimate the cost would be approximately $3,000 per year for each of us. I don't know about you, but I'd have to hang up my helmet at that point. I think I'd rather see tiered licensing.
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^^ Thats the one that caught my attention also
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And what exactly would this 'catastrophic insurance' cover? It's not like you are more likely to do more damage with an R1 than someone driving a hummer.
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Tiered licensing based on experience doesn't alienate our youth. It is fair to all. As long as it is based on riding experience.

Recall, there is already a tiered process in Texas for car drivers under 18. I don't recall exactly, but it is something like...not after dark, not with friends, only with Siblings. It supposedly has stopped a lot of "watch this, hold my beer" type accidents.

And there is a tiered system for motorcycles as well. You can ride a bike at 2, a moped at 15, and a motorcycle at 16.

Tier it, but keep it realistic. 6 months on learner bike. 1 year on a non-performance steed, sky is the limit. Use concepts like the British insurance system that rates a bike on the basis of how quickly it can get you in trouble, not how many cc's or bodystyle.

In case you haven't noticed, our European counterparts all can ride, on average much better than the common US rider. And they pay $1000 - $2000 for the priveledge under their respective governments. They take intensive training in some countries. Tests where skill, not memorization, make the difference between pass and fail.

Keep it simple, keep it stupid, and force the courts and LEO's to enforce the out of licensing and insurance requirements. Let Darwin's kids spend some time in jail....no way to reproduce there.

I for one want a "Clayton" license that allows speeding on public roadways. I have 17 years experience on street bikes after all officer...and I've never hit anything but the concrete.
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And what exactly would this 'catastrophic insurance' cover? It's not like you are more likely to do more damage with an R1 than someone driving a hummer.
It doesn't really matter what it covers if you are required to have it.
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And what exactly would this 'catastrophic insurance' cover? It's not like you are more likely to do more damage with an R1 than someone driving a hummer.

:laughing6 :laughing6 :laughing6

How many 16-20 year olds do you personally know that are driving Hummers?
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<<Already, in several states, legislation is pending that would simply require that each and every rider purchase supplemental "catastrophic" insurance before being allowed to ride. Insurance experts estimate the cost would be approximately $3,000 per year for each of us. >>

Is this really being pushed by motorcycle accident rates, or insurance lobbyist looking for some premium profits???
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<<Already, in several states, legislation is pending that would simply require that each and every rider purchase supplemental "catastrophic" insurance before being allowed to ride. Insurance experts estimate the cost would be approximately $3,000 per year for each of us. >>

Is this really being pushed by motorcycle accident rates, or insurance lobbyist looking for some premium profits???
Prolly both
I look at it this way. When I was 24 and riding a ninja zx6R insurance was like 2,600 a year for libility only.
Now I am 40 riding a zx9r and insurance is 240 a year for full coverage.

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It's the later being backed up by the accident rates I'm sure.
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Old 01-17-2007, 07:02 PM   #36
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I look at it this way. When I was 24 and riding a ninja zx6R insurance was like 2,600 a year for libility only.
Now I am 40 riding a zx9r and insurance is 240 a year for full coverage.

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holy jesus! your old :dontknow:

suprised the outa me i always thought you were in your 20s...
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Congress just approved a bill that includes $3m in funding for MC crash studies.



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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...9:HR00003:@@@X

Sec. 1914. Motorcyclist Advisory Council
and also Motorcyclist Safety.

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If this goes through, Ima be riding dirty on my 600, 750, or 1000 before im allowed to ride it legally
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holy jesus! your old :dontknow:

suprised the outa me i always thought you were in your 20s...
Uhhh.. How does the saying go?

Thats how I roll
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