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Old 07-11-2012, 12:36 PM   #161
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I don't feel its like that. Its not like we are here teaching noobs how to ride track on the street. Just basic skills is all. It's more of a "How can we better conduct noob rides as to keep it educational, fun and SAFE."

BTW, what does an advanced msf class teach? Been thinking about taking one.
From what I've heard, same stuff as MSF just bigger faster...might be wrong, but for the price.

Just do a track day...
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From what I've heard, same stuff as MSF just bigger faster...might be wrong, but for the price.

Just do a track day...
I've never taken MSF, but I'm certain they practice drills in the advanced class that would be helpful on the street that wouldn't be done at a track day
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BTW, what does an advanced msf class teach? Been thinking about taking one.
How to stop in the middle of the turn without low siding or going off the road is one lesson, along with cornering finesse, controlled braking, swerving, etc. basically it'll help you learn to be proactive and reactive riding through hazardous on the road.

The classes I have seen are really small and most of the peeps I see are an older crowd of cruiser folks. you might want to Give awesome cycles a call or have Challen post up a run down of the course. Different schools teach different things but all cover the basics that every rider NEEDS to know.
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How to stop in the middle of the turn without low siding or going off the road is one lesson, along with cornering finesse, controlled braking, swerving, etc. basically it'll help you learn to be proactive and reactive riding through hazardous on the road.
I stand corrected...
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I get where Dave is coming from. These conversations are things that run through my mind, but if you've ever been on a ride with Texlurch, Bevo, Pinball, etc, it's much more simple than what's listed here, and major points are hit. Afterwards, you dive down in to specifics if the rider wishes feedback.


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Can you give us a source (aside from someone on another forum) that suggests this, some article etc...

So we can see where you get this from.
ive got this from riding experience and others i have rode with.

However, i will try to comply with your wishes:

https://www.ridelikeapro.com/home/faq

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Why does the bike fall over when using the front brake in a turn and why doesn't it fall over when using the rear brake?

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When your handlebars are turned and you apply the front brake, all the weight of your motorcycle plus your weight, plus your momentum, is suddenly transferred to the front wheel in what ever direction the handlebars are turned. There's no way you can handle that sudden weight shift, so down you go. Since the rear tire doesn't turn side to side, there is no sudden weight transferred in one direction or the other. In fact, if you keep power to the rear wheel and put pressure on the rear brake at the same time, you can keep the bike upright for a second or two without ever putting a foot down. When you apply the front brake, just make sure your handlebars are pointed straight ahead and remember, to squeeeeze the front brake. Don't grab it or it.
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if you google this subject there are many different opinions regarding this. Like i had mentioned before, everyone has their own opinion.


Essentially when you tap the rear brake all it does is scrub some speed. Front brakes will want to stand up the bike.

again we are talking noob speeds not track speeds.

However this guy here has it right! He would prefer to not touch any brakes at all and just lean and countersteer and throttle rather than use brakes, but if he did he would use rear in a turn.

So, you all can continue to condascend, but mind you this is the street not the track. and Noob rides are street speeds. In a panic situation the worse thingthat can happen if they dont cover their brakes is they will lean, counter steer and throttle, and actually look like they know what they are doing.
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So, you all can continue to condascend, but mind you this is the street not the track. and Noob rides are street speeds. In a panic situation the worse thingthat can happen if they dont cover their brakes is they will lean, counter steer and throttle, and actually look like they know what they are doing.
So....what happens if I'm going down a two lane road with no shoulder, a truck drops a 20ft ladder across the entire road, as in no concrete, in a blind corner that I'm coming around at speed? Lean and throttle to where??? there's no where to go???? This happened to my Father and neighbor last year on a VTX forum ride. He's been riding for 52 years.

Please explain how to handle that panic situation with no brakes.
Waiting on your solution.
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Essentially when you tap the rear brake all it does is scrub some speed. Front brakes will want to stand up the bike.
Also......what?
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So....what happens if I'm going down a two lane road with no shoulder, a truck drops a 20ft ladder across the entire road, as in no concrete, in a blind corner that I'm coming around at speed? Lean and throttle to where??? there's no where to go???? This happened to my Father and neighbor last year on a VTX forum ride. He's been riding for 52 years.

Please explain how to handle that panic situation with no brakes.
Waiting on your solution.
On group noob ride it would mean disaster.
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On group noob ride it would mean disaster.
Maybe, but what would you say would be the best chance to avoid that disaster?
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everybody seems to think so
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If this weather holds up ill be showing up to tje central meet. Again i dont wear chaps and im sure im 20 years his elder. And not asian, 100% cauc-asian lol.
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If this weather holds up ill be showing up to tje central meet. Again i dont wear chaps and im sure im 20 years his elder. And not asian, 100% cauc-asian lol.
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Maybe, but what would you say would be the best chance to avoid that disaster?
Too many variables.
Never mentioned if it was in the turn, coming out...
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Too many variables.
Never mentioned if it was in the turn, coming out...
Point is you can't answer that under my terms, because if a "panic" situation like that occurred, you would have to brake at some point or eat the grass. I wasn't gonna say anything more about covering/front/rear. Now you are saying there's no reason to have to brake in a turn at all, all you have to do is just lean and use throttle maintenance. I just gave one definite example of how that can't be used for every situation.

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