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Old 07-11-2012, 10:41 AM   #141
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Thats what ive been tryin to say. I mean its best not to cover in my opinion, and force a noob to countersteer or lean more.

My opine.

But hey we should have a ride where we learn how to brake in a turn?
The turn forces the rider to steer the bike. There's only one way to steer a bike as the bars will only turn right or left (they won't go up, down, front, or back). The only option to steering is the ditch.
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Braking in a turn is an acquired skill that requires practice and understanding of the dynamics of the bike.

You had better know where the traction and lean a

ngle limits of your bike are before you start working on it.

Definately has no place in a noob ride discussion and pretty stupid to keep bringing it up.
I dont think it is. Essentially youre saying throttle all you want, but how bout when they are in a turn like bevo said.

Regardless of what senator says, im plenty experienced to know that tapping rear brakes in aturn does wonders.

Noobs need to learn basic braking skills in a noob pace amd rear brake is sufficient.

Stupid? Stupid is not learning how to slow down.
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Braking in a turn is an acquired skill that requires practice and understanding of the dynamics of the bike.

You had better know where the traction and lean angle limits of your bike are before you start working on it.

Definately has no place in a noob ride discussion and pretty stupid to keep bringing it up.
But we all know oldschool is pretty stoopid.
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Essentially youre saying throttle all you want.
What? Where the did that come from?
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I dont think it is. Essentially youre saying throttle all you want, but how bout when they are in a turn like bevo said.

Regardless of what senator says, im plenty experienced to know that tapping rear brakes in aturn does wonders.

Noobs need to learn basic braking skills in a noob pace amd rear brake is sufficient.

Stupid? Stupid is not learning how to slow down.
Never said any of the above.

This thread is about guidelines for noob rides; do you REALLY think that braking in a turn is something that needs to be addressed in NOOB rides?



And you are actively promoting people learn to slow with just the rear brake?? Really???

How about learning to set your speed prior to the turn on the street and quit arguing about covering the front brake in EVERY SINGLE THREAD YOU POST IN?
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This is one example of a resource from a reputable source.
It restates a lot of what people here have said in the first place but often time seeing it in print makes an impact.

The gist of the article is that the most efficient and safe way to tuen a bike is to slow down prior to the turn.
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http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ho..._street_savvy/

This is one example of a resource from a reputable source.
It restates a lot of what people here have said in the first place but often time seeing it in print makes an impact.

The gist of the article is that the most efficient and safe way to tuen a bike is to slow down prior to the turn.
I always tell new riders to pay attention to the recommended speed signs before the turn and to notice which direction the turn makes as indicated by that sign
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Never said any of the above.

This thread is about guidelines for noob rides; do you REALLY think that braking in a turn is something that needs to be addressed in NOOB rides?



And you are actively promoting people learn to slow with just the rear brake?? Really???

How about learning to set your speed prior to the turn on the street and quit arguing about covering the front brake in EVERY SINGLE THREAD YOU POST IN?
Im just wondering when a noob ride turned into a school on the street? there are courses for this, msf beginner and advanced, then track days for those who want to really learn what they are capable of.

let real instructors do the teaching imho.
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And you are actively promoting people learn to slow with just the rear brake?? Really???

How about learning to set your speed prior to the turn on the street and quit arguing about covering the front brake in EVERY SINGLE THREAD YOU POST IN?
No i am not promoting that. The real issue i have is what BEVO pointed out that there is a time when a noob in a turn will think he is going too fast in a turn. Will panic and will do one of two things...PERIOD!

If he's covering the brakes he will PULL it, and thats not GOOD. Or he will try to pick up the bike and try to do the MSF braking technique in a turn, and that means ditch most likely.

If you really don't want these accidents, you kids continue to have, this is what you really need to teach a noob!!!

Tapping on the rear brakes in a turn is common knowledge in the motorcycle cruising world.

If you want to teach these kids trackday skillz on the street you're going to hurt these kids...such as covering the front brake. Period.

I mean this is common sense. These kids can learn about learning to use their front brake in a turn in the Advanced classes for any trackday school.

But basic street riding is essentially what you are trying to infuse in these noobs.

So again, noobs, rear brake tap in a turn. Geesh you guys act like the only way to ride is how you all ride at the track!!

Thats really funny!
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Im just wondering when a noob ride turned into a school on the street? there are courses for this, msf beginner and advanced, then track days for those who want to really learn what they are capable of.

let real instructors do the teaching imho.
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Tapping on the rear brakes in a turn is common knowledge in the motorcycle cruising world.

If you want to teach these kids trackday skillz on the street you're going to hurt these kids...such as covering the front brake. Period.

I mean this is common sense. These kids can learn about learning to use their front brake in a turn in the Advanced classes for any trackday school.

But basic street riding is essentially what you are trying to infuse in these noobs.

So again, noobs, rear brake tap in a turn. Geesh you guys act like the only way to ride is how you all ride at the track!!

Thats really funny!
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Should be under "Techniques for riding a TMAX"

If you're a noob that thinks you're in a turn too hot, braking is not the answer either front or rear.
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So again, noobs, rear brake tap in a turn. Geesh you guys act like the only way to ride is how you all ride at the track!!

Thats really funny!
Can you give us a source (aside from someone on another forum) that suggests this, some article etc...

So we can see where you get this from.
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Can you give us a source (aside from someone on another forum) that suggests this, some article etc...

So we can see where you get this from.
Apparently wearing chaps makes it easier to pull stuff out of your
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Im just wondering when a noob ride turned into a school on the street? there are courses for this, msf beginner and advanced, then track days for those who want to really learn what they are capable of.

let real instructors do the teaching imho.
I don't feel its like that. Its not like we are here teaching noobs how to ride track on the street. Just basic skills is all. It's more of a "How can we better conduct noob rides as to keep it educational, fun and SAFE."

BTW, what does an advanced msf class teach? Been thinking about taking one.
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