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Old 07-10-2012, 10:58 AM   #81
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Again, the use of the word in a paragraph so that the reader can interpret the context is important. What speeds were to be involved and what the expectaion of the ride was crystal clear if the person bother to read more than the thread title.

You are defining...not me. You selectively chose one of five possible meanings of the word and asked the question about average riders. The use of moderate was in reference to speed not skill.
1mod·er·ate
adj \ˈmä-d(ə-)rət\
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a: avoiding extremes of behavior or expression : observing reasonable limits <a moderate drinker> b: calm, temperate
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a: tending toward the mean or average amount or dimension

" so who is eligible to ride at a moderate pace specifically?"
I dont know, no more than I know who is eligible to ride at 20 mph? That is up to the individual to decide not me. I can only describe what to expect.
Everything in this world is subjective and Everything is relative.

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I think not, so who is eligible to ride at a moderate pace specifically?
You're defining moderate as avoiding the extreme, catering to the average.
How is anyone supposed to know what that means, it's so subjective.
A noobs average speed might be the recommended SL on turns, where mine might be DOUBLE or TRIPLE that.
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It means that I care as well or I would not have been engaged in this bullshit session in the first place.


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Meaning what exactly?
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Could we maybe get back on topic and the two of you take your discussion to pm? Thanks!
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:09 AM   #84
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" so who is eligible to ride at a moderate pace specifically?"
I dont know, no more than I know who is eligible to ride at 20 mph? That is up to the individual to decide not me. I can only describe what to expect.
Everything in this world is subjective and Everything is relative.
Only you didn't describe what to expect very well.

You left it very subjective and relative to the individual reader, where as
"Noob Ride/Cruise- we will be at recommended SL in turns and no more than 10 over SL on fwy."
"Spirited Ride- we will be at double SL in turns and cruising 10+ over SL on fwy"
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Only you didn't describe what to expect very well.

You left it very subjective and relative to the individual reader, where as
"Noob Ride/Cruise- we will be at recommended SL in turns and no more than 10 over SL on fwy."
"Spirited Ride- we will be at double SL in turns and cruising 10+ over SL on fwy"
You know what would be really helpful for a "noob" like myself.

How about a sticky thread with the common definitions. That way everything is laid out and defined.

What webster says and how it is used in forum conversation can be completely different. So lets give the definatiins some context.
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Prolly butting in where I don't belong, but I just have to say that this is the that really irritates me about this website. Everybody knows everything and they're glad to tell you all about it as long as you don't dare have a different opinion. Apparently what is most important is making your point, not actually having an open and honest discussion that everyone can benefit from.

The definition of the word moderate is really such a stupid, semantic thing to argue about.
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And yes, as someone who could probably benefit from a good n00b ride, ya'll are making me have 0 enthusiasm about participating in one.
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You know what would be really helpful for a "noob" like myself.

How about a sticky thread with the common definitions. That way everything is laid out and defined.

What webster says and how it is used in forum conversation can be completely different. So lets give the definatiins some context.
This was a few pages back, and I'll prob add this to my thread.
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LOL!

We have "accepted" descriptions of pace for rides.... no reason to re-invent the wheel..

noob/relaxed: SL on the straights, yellow posted in corners depending on group
moderate: SL, maybe 10-15+ on straights and curves
brisk: + on the straights, up to double the yellow sign into curves
spirited: race track on the street basically

These have been in place on this forum since before it began this version back in 05.
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And yes, as someone who could probably benefit from a good n00b ride, ya'll are making me have 0 enthusiasm about participating in one.
The rides are only a slightly different experience than posting
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I'm going to add a little edit and say CORRECT body position is important. Without going back to read over an hour of bickering, I seem to recall a comment (possibly from Blanco) about hanging off seats. If a rider is just hanging his off, that doesn't qualify as correct BP. A vid submitted by wawazat in the track forum demonstrates:

http://youtu.be/x2tdKhXpbBE

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=19
I have seen peeps without ridesmart correct BP tear it up.

Right my SEC friend?

AGAIN, EVERYONES DIFFERENT!
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tired of reading all of this. someone please PM me the clif notes.
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tired of reading all of this. someone please PM me the clif notes.
Finally done reading. Essentially Senator disrespecting his elders.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:53 PM   #95
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Finally done reading. Essentially Senator disrespecting his elders.
It was never about disrespect with blanco, but i am considering disrespecting you as much as you troll. Why is it that you are such a decent guy in person but such a troll on here?

Aren't you supposed to be banned? AEs are against the rules...
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Sir. You have been disrespectin' your elders, son.

I mean every post towards him has been quite condascending.

Its like youre an egomaniac.

Ae? I dont think we've ever met? Sorry im new to the community.
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I absolutely took that way out of context and put a bright sign on it, in order to show how ridiculous of a statement that is. Some noob is going to read that and think it's okay that when he "steers" into a turn and his body is still perpendicular to the ground like a dirtbike.

You keep thinking of track and dragging knee when referring to body position, but I'd hope after your 28 years of riding that anything you do with your body on a motorcycle constitutes body position.
Heres the first one.
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The only thing that we agree on is maybe there's not enough teaching correctly. Everything else, we are not even on the same planet of agreeing.

And if you continue to post ride threads (and now I can't quote you since you deleted), such as "Moderate Pace, you can see some good speeds. Ask me how I know. BUT HEY, it's noob friendly!"

I will continue to threadjack and tear them apart, so some noob doesn't get put in over his head and see another RIP thread.
#2. Let the man set up his own rides and how he words it.
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Noobs aren't average riders yet.

FAIL AGAIN MAN.
#3. It goes on and on. Just plain rude.
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Sir. You have been disrespectin' your elders, son.
I mean every post towards him has been quite condascending.
Its like youre an egomaniac.
Ae? I dont think we've ever met? Sorry im new to the community.
I am not your son. Please don't ever refer to me as that again.

This was done and discussed after through PM's as this was a disagreement and nothing more. Not only are you trolling me right now, you're threadjacking as this was back on topic.

You're not new to the community. I got put in the know last time you trolled me. I'll leave it at that for now.

PM me if there's anything else you'd like to discuss.
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