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Old 07-09-2012, 09:27 PM   #21
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Well apparently body position is "all for show".

These are the types of comments we need to avoid because body position has nothing to do with geometry and traction, not to mention looking through turns.
Hey, Bill...where's that pic you posted last year showing how body position effects center of gravity? I've searched for it, but there are just way too many posts to dig through.
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Well apparently body position is "all for show".

These are the types of comments we need to avoid because body position has nothing to do with geometry and traction, not to mention looking through turns.
I believe body position is very inportant as is getting weight off the seat. Relaxed arms, and looking through the turn. Point your crotch twards the turn, and kiss the mirror if you have one.
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Hey, Bill...where's that pic you posted last year showing how body position effects center of gravity? I've searched for it, but there are just way too many posts to dig through.
He should repost it once a month.
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I believe body position is very inportant as is getting weight off the seat. Relaxed arms, and looking through the turn. Point your crotch twards the turn, and kiss the mirror if you have one.
I'm going to add a little edit and say CORRECT body position is important. Without going back to read over an hour of bickering, I seem to recall a comment (possibly from Blanco) about hanging off seats. If a rider is just hanging his off, that doesn't qualify as correct BP. A vid submitted by wawazat in the track forum demonstrates:


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Hey, Bill...where's that pic you posted last year showing how body position effects center of gravity? I've searched for it, but there are just way too many posts to dig through.
I have to look for it, but it describes how your center of gravity, the bike's center of gravity, the center line of the bike, centrifugal force, and gravity itself work against or for each other...all depending on body position. It is not overstated like in a track setting, but can be vital.




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I'm going to add a little edit and say CORRECT body position is important. Without going back to read over an hour of bickering, I seem to recall a comment (possibly from Blanco) about hanging off seats. If a rider is just hanging his off, that doesn't qualify as correct BP. A vid submitted by wawazat in the track forum demonstrates:

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His upper body didn't follow his . Cold tires. Damp track. Locked his arms up. You can point out more.
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He should repost it once a month.
I wholeheartedly agree. Should be in a sticky, too, and also posted in every group ride thread...as should the hand signals poster.
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I have to look for it, but it describes how your center of gravity, the bike's center of gravity, the center line of the bike, centrifugal force, and gravity itself work against or for each other...all depending on body position. It is not overstated like in a track setting, but can be vital.




PS- Pinball should have been added to the SRL list, but Mala hasn't posted much.
That's the one, and thanks for the SRL vote of confidence.
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His upper body didn't follow his . Cold tires. Damp track. Locked his arms up. You can point out more.
Absolutely, which brings us back around to the intent of this thread. What is a noob ride? If noob rides are teaching rides, what exactly is taught? Inexperienced riders hear about "getting off the seat," but do not know that there is so much more to it than that. It is extremely vital to have experienced riders (and no...track time is not the end all/be all for experience) who can not only recognize the mistakes the inexperienced riders make but who are can also adequately explain how to correct them.
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Absolutely, which brings us back around to the intent of this thread. What is a noob ride? If noob rides are teaching rides, what exactly is taught? Inexperienced riders hear about "getting off the seat," but do not know that there is so much more to it than that. It is extremely vital to have experienced riders (and no...track time is not the end all/be all for experience) who can not only recognize the mistakes the inexperienced riders make but who are can also adequately explain how to correct them.
Very true. No need to teach someone new about getting off the seat. Why not set up a general rule book for the new rides, or I think I saw Senator just post something up. I am not here to argue, just want it to be safe for the new riders.
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10 over in turns does not require off seat position..

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Very true...I don't even have to get off the seat on my cruiser.

SRL is Mala's safe rider list. She started it last year listing the riders that are safety conscious and who won't do stupid .
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Very true. No need to teach someone new about getting off the seat. Why not set up a general rule book for the new rides, or I think I saw Senator just post something up. I am not here to argue, just want it to be safe for the new riders.
Pretty sure no one is taking your comments as arguing. I know I certainly am not, and I personally think that based solely on your comments and observations, you'd make one of an asset to a teaching ride.
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Very true...I don't even have to get off the seat on my cruiser.

SRL is Mala's safe rider list. She started it last year listing the riders that are safety conscious and who won't do stupid .
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i shut down my comp and only have my tab on.

In a nutshell i teach the rules for group riding first, then basics about cornering which includes body position including things like opening up to a turn, relaxed on the grips, head inside of the turn. Then talk about scanning through the turn and maintenance throttle among a few others depending on the group. Then the ride of course mimics the things we talked about in order usually.

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Here are a couple of things I have noticed:

1) Noobs are often overwhelmed by information overload, ie: Every "experienced" rider wants to help...so, they give pointers..these tips will vary from rider to rider..there is no consistency = confusion.

2) Body positioning... please understand..you can take the same corner all day at different speeds and your "BP" will change accordingly...you don't NEED to hang off your bike to turn in your drive way at 10mph. ..

I believe the riding tips noobs get on a ride should come from a credible source that explains "when and why" to do "what". Noobs have to take little steps and learn a little at a time ..
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I really like this thread. First off i want to make some of these rides just to see what everyone has to offer and maybe pickup a few new tips or hand something out to really new guys that i know. Wouldnt mind seeing different perspectives on correct body positioning and what not, since some of the guys i rade with sometimes like to pull some retarded on the street sometimes. The thing that sucks for me on that is its hard for me to try and make these rides with two youngins (2yrs and 4mths old that is)and being a welder inspector and have a wild work schedule. But one day ill make one, ive tried to commit to a few but had things come up everytime.
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i shut down my comp and only have my tab on.

In a nutshell i teach the rules for group riding first, then basics about cornering which includes body position including things like opening up to a turn, relaxed on the grips, head inside of the turn. Then talk about scanning through the turn and maintenance throttle among a few others depending on the group. Then the ride of course mimics the things we talked about in order usually.

Will post more in the morning if necessary.
So the noob ride needs to lean more towards actually helping the noobs throughout the ride via taking breaks and giving pointers, instead of blasting info at them pre ride and not giving much input during.

I really like Senator's idea of going Leader, noob, helper, noob, helper... However I feel that's realistically pretty hard to do depending on how many people show up.

How do we keep big groups from showing up (no more then 10) if at all, or how do we better manage a group that big? Sorry if this info has already been covered in your thread Senator, I just scanned through it.
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