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Old 07-13-2012, 03:37 PM   #261
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i mean i'm just a stoopid newb and all but don't you brake before the entrance, maintain throttle till the apex, then roll on slightly after the apex until exit? obviously this is all dependent on the corner, but generally speaking...
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i mean i'm just a stoopid newb and all but don't you brake before the entrance, maintain throttle till the apex, then roll on slightly after the apex until exit? obviously this is all dependent on the corner, but generally speaking...
That's how most of us do it... just not the Oldschool style of scooter riding.

It really sounds like he has been riding cruisers/scooters and is used to the rear brake as the front is usually worthless and scares those guys.
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That's how most of us do it... just not the Oldschool style of scooter riding.

It really sounds like he has been riding cruisers/scooters and is used to the rear brake as the front is usually worthless and scares those guys.
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Can we change the title of this thread to, "Lessons from OldSchool" since it now has nothing to do with Noob rides?

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well it is still basically about giving advice that should help noobs with the added twist of experienced riders, both track and street, calling bullshit on the never never land instruction given by those who are dreaming up the schrill they are dispensing.
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Yeah no.

You maintain a slightly increased throttle because due to physics, tire scrubbing/rolling radius changes you will slow down in a turn otherwise..
Lol that essentially what i said.

Yes more throttle will pick your bike up, so again we speak of Panic Situations,

Noob comes around a left hand bender too hot, best thing to do is countersteer, which will increase lean angle, slow the bike like you said thus having to increase throttle until through the turn.
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I don't think anyone will remember all this info...sorry to the op.. no offence, but how would I know what info to follow if I was a noob. Jimrad said it.. info overload..we can't dump info and expect it to stick... keep it small clear, work on one or two things, and limit the back and forth info over the interwebz..let it be strictly noob... maybe have a sponsor a rider or something for the faster rides..or just PM like others have said.
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slow even throttle will "pick up" the bike with assistance from the rider....
panic throttle at the apex before picking up the bike will put you down...
you may be meaning the correct thing, but your choice of words if put into action would be deadly...and nowhere in this thread has anyone said, not even basically, the same thing you have said... the comments by texlurch do not in anyway support your statements....oldschool, may be your name, but riders school is where you need to go.
do not mean to be insulting to you, but if a noob follows the wording of your advice so far he will not live long enough to ever be an experienced rider
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well it is still basically about giving advice that should help noobs with the added twist of experienced riders, both track and street, calling bullshit on the never never land instruction given by those who are dreaming up the schrill they are dispensing.
Whats bullshit? Bout front brakes pickin up the bike in a turn? Lurch coincided that it did. Ha then Senator blows smoke "uh i was meaning somethin elsr"

What else was bs? That noobs should stay away from their brakes in a turn rather than cover? Bevo coincided? Using front is an advanced skill in a turn.

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I don't think anyone will remember all this info...sorry to the op.. no offence, but how would I know what info to follow if I was a noob. Jimrad said it.. info overload..we can't dump info and expect it to stick... keep it small clear, work on one or two things, and limit the back and forth info over the interwebz..let it be strictly noob... maybe have a sponsor a rider or something for the faster rides..or just PM like others have said.
No offense taken How would sponsor a rider work?
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Also, if you were oldschool, you'd use while since whilst is actually a newer word.
"Whilst" is a new word? Lol
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Lol that essentially what i said.

Yes more throttle will pick your bike up, so again we speak of Panic Situations,

Noob comes around a left hand bender too hot, best thing to do is countersteer, which will increase lean angle, slow the bike like you said thus having to increase throttle until through the turn.
You countersteer every time you turn the bike above ~15mph.

What you stated above implies that a noob "countersteers" then slows down, and then has to get back on the throttle so as not to fall over.

Do you understand how asinine that is? THAT is how people are comprehending what you are typing. I hope you aren't a teacher as your day job.


What you should REALLY be doing as a noob is coming down a straight and evaluating the turn far before you get to it. MAYBE hit the brake, but if you have to lay on the brake, you were going way too fast for your skills to begin with. Slow down before the turn, before you ever tip in or countersteer or simply STEER since that's how you steer on a motorcycle, hold your throttle at the steady pace you already determined was safe while leaning and turning, then as you get to the apex, slowly throttle out as you widen your turn a little and stand the bike up.

Can we end this thread now?
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i mean i'm just a stoopid newb and all but don't you brake before the entrance, maintain throttle till the apex, then roll on slightly after the apex until exit? obviously this is all dependent on the corner, but generally speaking...
Brian we are speaking of if and when you may be too hot in a turn. What would a noob do?
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You countersteer every time you turn the bike above ~15mph.

What you stated above implies that a noob "countersteers" then slows down, and then has to get back on the throttle so as not to fall over.

Do you understand how asinine that is? THAT is how people are comprehending what you are typing. I hope you aren't a teacher as your day job.


What you should REALLY be doing as a noob is coming down a straight and evaluating the turn far before you get to it. MAYBE hit the brake, but if you have to lay on the brake, you were going way too fast for your skills to begin with. Slow down before the turn, before you ever tip in or countersteer or simply STEER since that's how you steer on a motorcycle, hold your throttle at the steady pace you already determined was safe while leaning and turning, then as you get to the apex, slowly throttle out as you widen your turn a little and stand the bike up.

Can we end this thread now?
Listen, i dont mean to be rude mam, but we have been speaking of "Panic situations in a turn" some say brakes, some say steer for the past 5 pgs at least

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