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Old 07-12-2012, 01:11 PM   #201
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No it's not, because once again you give bad information.

Using the front brakes, will not stand the bike up.

Were you not just trying to prove about not using a ALOT of front brakes in a turn because of lowside potential?! That was your argument in the other thread, did you forget?

The only input that I know of that makes the bike want to stand up, without throwing your body weight around, is accelerating. Hence when you are diving into a turn too much, and getting close to the middle line as TexLurch describes, you'd want to add a bit of throttle, stand the bike up a little more in order to not have to counter-steer so hard, and widen out your line.
Using throttle maintenance, as you described earlier as well.

It just sounds like you are regurgitating something you read in a magazine or heard at a biker bar, and have no idea how the physics and geometry work sometimes.
i thought you were the expert here!!! lol. Go through a turn and tell me what happens to the bars when you hit that front brake and come back to me. Remember when you hit that front brake try not to put any bar input. And see what happens!!!

You'd think you'd know this by now.

So when going through a turn you have to push the inside bar which makes the tire point in the opposite direction. When brakes are applied you notice you have to push the inside bar a little harder??? That's becuase the tire wants to straighten up. Amateur.

So when you lock it...front brake that is, since you are leaning into a turn, the front wheel will turn in becuase the whole bike want to continue in a traight line thus your front wheel will turn in.

Senator, your sounding like a fool. Throttle maintenance is the only thing that will pick the bike up? try pushing the outside bar, that will do it too. Which in turn straightens up the front wheel which will pick up the bike.
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And if you use the front brake, the bike will stand up by itself.

you are lookin' like a track noob on this one.
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ok sooo after all of this I would like to ask 07 blanco and senator to put on a noob ride soon, I know both of you guys and that would be a great ride for the noobs. Ill be mnore then happy to be a helper. Old school feel free to say something stupid about this idea.
Little6, don't make senator your daddy on everything he says. do your own research or ride a bit more and try it for yourself.
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i thought you were the expert here!!! lol. Go through a turn and tell me what happens to the bars when you hit that front brake and come back to me. Remember when you hit that front brake try not to put any bar input. And see what happens!!!

You'd think you'd know this by now.

So when going through a turn you have to push the inside bar which makes the tire point in the opposite direction. When brakes are applied you notice you have to push the inside bar a little harder??? That's becuase the tire wants to straighten up. Amateur.

So when you lock it...front brake that is, since you are leaning into a turn, the front wheel will turn in becuase the whole bike want to continue in a traight line thus your front wheel will turn in.

Senator, your sounding like a fool. Throttle maintenance is the only thing that will pick the bike up? try pushing the outside bar, that will do it too. Which in turn straightens up the front wheel which will pick up the bike.
All things maintained, hitting the front brake will not stand the bike up.
Sorry man, you lost this one too.
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Little6, don't make senator your daddy on everything he says. do your own research or ride a bit more and try it for yourself.
I'm only your daddy sweetie.
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That is such bullshit. Who the has more control and finesse using a boot to apply brakes rather than fingers, and I use both brakes 90% of the time. Most here ride sportbikes, not TMAXs, not custom choppers, but sportbikes. They put two discs on the front wheel for a reason, and it's not for looks.
That's swell to know you use both brakes!
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All things maintained, hitting the front brake will not stand the bike up.
Sorry man, you lost this one too.
Sorry you better hit the road and hit those front brakes in a turn without bar input and find out for your self, noob.
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Sorry you better hit the road and hit those front brakes in a turn without bar input and find out for your self, noob.
You have to have bar input to turn, noob.

Hitting the front brakes will not stand the bike up, you brake THEN change your input and move weight around to stand it up to counteract the slower speed.
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I want to see you in a turn, do NOTHING besides grab front brakes, and watch the bike stand up. If front brakes is what makes a motorcycle stand up, you have nothing to worry about right?
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Sorry you better hit the road and hit those front brakes in a turn without bar input and find out for your self, noob.
Are you really still going on about this?


Where can I sign up for a 1 on 1 instructional day with OldSchool?
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Are you really still going on about this?


Where can I sign up for a 1 on 1 instructional day with OldSchool?


The same day this goes on....lets all take advice from this guy, good idea...

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Ill probably be there, ill be in the area working than I'm going to have a few drinks than I'm gonna sing karaoke than drink more, THEN ill ride all the way home.
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Oh man, I wish I still had that video of him doing karaoke at The interloop meet...

This is all I got.
That was Tmax though. Old School says he is definitely not Tmax.

Which is good because I think those yellow Yamaha scooters are horrible, for noobs or anyone.
Any other color would be okay. Just my opinion...
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That was Tmax though. Old School says he is definitely not Tmax.

Which is good because I think those yellow Yamaha scooters are horrible, for noobs or anyone.
Any other color would be okay. Just my opinion...
Oh, by posting that picture I was not trying to imply that it was TMAX. But rather show another person with similar likes to rear brakes and karaoke.
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Oh, by posting that picture I was not trying to imply that it was TMAX. But rather show another person with similar likes to rear brakes and karaoke.
Ahhh I gotcha. Someone should alert Tmax that someone is trying to steal all his thunder...
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Ahhh I gotcha. Someone should alert Tmax that someone is trying to steal all his thunder...
again, im not an assless chaps wearer, son.
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maybe i am missing what old school is trying to say, but i agree with senator, the bike will not try and stand up in those circumstances, it will try to throw you over the handle bar.... acceleration will help the bike to try and stand up.. if you are not at extreme lean angle...if you are, you will likely go sliding across the pavement in a low side... i am getting confused somewhat with all the words in those sentences, and the mixed thought, but overall this old man goes with what I am understanding Senator to say... but again... earlier in this thread, I said, take any advice from someone you don't know with a grain of salt... it maybe that their skill level is over your head and if you try to do what they say you will get hurt... and it could be they are just plain full of and that will get you hurt too... so know the person and where they are coming from, and what they mean by what they are saying...
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OK, y'all do understand that the front tire is actually turned left in a left turn, and visa versa?

Countersteering makes the bike lean in initially, or change angle during a turn, but after the initial push the tire actually turns in the same direction as the curve....

Front brakes while leaned with no other inputs will make the front tire try to go straight, and stand the bike up... unless you overcome traction in which case you lowside.

BUT, proper application, along with corresponding bar inputs, will make the bike maintain its angle and line while braking.

All these guys that trail brake deep into turns are using the front 90% of the time, while leaning in.

Again, all of this needs to be learned in a safe, controlled environment.. not a Noob ride!
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yes, what he said, i am 100% certain, 10% of the time, oh wait that is wrong, I am 10% certain, 90% of the time.... kind of over the noob line here...
oh, and i guess you could call a highside as standing the bike up.
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