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Old 07-09-2012, 08:01 PM   #1
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Guidelines for "Noob" Rides, discuss

So recently there's been a lot of debate about how a noob ride should be conducted, how to exactly describe a noob (riding experience, seat time, group ride exp, etc?).

Instead of thread jacking in the rides and meets section, why not discuss here? Let's make some guidelines for people who wish to conduct a noob ride? Let's keep it classy...

To start, and I don't mean to hurt ANYONE's feelings, the best "noob" friendly rides I've been on are the one's lead by Thayleal. There was actual teaching in the rider's meetings, usually Thayleal or another member went over all the hand signals, the rules, and BaoPee or someone else would demonstrate Body Positioning. Maybe this should be mandatory before all "noob friendly rides".

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I think you have all the ingredients - a ride designed for people with very little seat and group time.

It needs to have an information session that covers all sorts of stuff like hand signals and etiquitte. It needs to have helpers interspersed with the new riders. And it needs to go at posted safe speeds. It should probably have a few extra breaks so that the helpers can give some instruction and to prevent the new riders from becoming mentally exhausted (all sorts of new things to keep track of and remember).

And hats off to those who put these on. I've enjoyed my share of them, for sure.
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I'm sure my 1st group ride wasn't "noob" intended(mostly track addicts) to tell you the truth I had no idea what I was doing. I just wanted to ride Now I know so... much it's insane how I have survived. Its really the people you ride with the one's that will take the time and point out things to you that's make a successful noob ride.
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I'm sure my 1st group ride wasn't "noob" intended(mostly track addicts) to tell you the truth I had no idea what I was doing. I just wanted to ride Now I know so... much it's insane how I have survived. Its really the people you ride with the one's that will take the time and point out things to you that's make a successful noob ride.
I think I was with you on that one. If I remember correctly, you were .... lucky. Right?
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Great point Morhpish about taking breaks. I remember on my first noob ride, there were also a lot of track people, BUT we took a lot of breaks and the guys (BaoPee, Rykoson, Pachuco, NewRider and others sorry I forgot your names) offered the noobs there a lot of advice and pointers each break.
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IMO, noob rides should be teaching rides. I put on quite a few last year before I broke my foot, and I always had at least 3 experienced guys there (same ones each time) that spread out through the group and kept an eye on the noobs. We had plenty of stops, and at each one, the experienced guys would talk to the noobs about things they could work on.

Only ever had two issues on my rides. One was a guy who had never ridden with us gapping the rider in front of him so he could go through turns faster. Noob behind him went wide, crossed the center line and got his rear end loose, but saved it. I now address that at all my rides. The other issue was me finding the ditch on my own ride.

The most important part of a noob ride is the leader. At the pre-ride meet, let everyone know what the pace will be and then STICK TO IT. If everyone knows that the pace will be 10-over and the leader keeps that pace there won't be any surprises. I have been on "noob" rides where the leader was passed by other riders in the twisties, then took off to ride fast with those that passed them. Bad juju right there.

A noob ride should also be long enough that it gives guys a chance to use what they learn from experienced riders...even if that means riding the same stretch of road several times, and no...CRR isn't enough.

Almost...if not equally as important as the leader...is the mentality of your helpers. It is vital that your experienced helpers know that the pace will not change as long as people are still having issues. It does no good for all your helpers to get bored and bail. Then the leader is stuck with a group of noobs that he cannot adequately keep an eye on. The ride can still continue, but the teaching aspect of the ride is pretty much shot if your helpers leave.
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I have about 40 years of seat time on motorcycles, and I'll always feel like a Noob.

I love riding, and I love being around people who love riding.

I don't like riding around arrogant who think they've reached the Holy Grail of riding skills - mainly because I feel guilty when I don't go to their eventual motorcycle-related funerals

But, seriously, enjoy the wind, enjoy the brother and sisterhood of riding, and "Shut up and ride," as my Harley Brother Wrench says.

I will never hold you guys up, and my feelings will never be hurt if you leave me behind - I have a GPS and I'm not afraid to use it.
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Pinball, I definitely enjoyed your noob ride. There were no surprises at all during the ride and you were definitely very stern during the meeting about the rules. I will admit that on the particular ride that I went with you, I did gap the rider in front of me a bit so I could go a lil faster in the turn, but Trey was the sweeper behind me. My apologies.
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Pinball, I definitely enjoyed your noob ride. There were no surprises at all during the ride and you were definitely very stern during the meeting about the rules. I will admit that on the particular ride that I went with you, I did gap the rider in front of me a bit so I could go a lil faster in the turn, but Trey was the sweeper behind me. My apologies.
No worries. It's one thing if the rider behind you is experienced enough to ride faster (or experienced enough to know that he can't, so he doesn't try to keep up). It's an entirely different thing, as was the case in this particular ride, if the guy behind you has been riding for less than two weeks.
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So recently there's been a lot of debate about how a noob ride should be conducted, how to exactly describe a noob (riding experience, seat time, group ride exp, etc?).

Instead of thread jacking in the rides and meets section, why not discuss here? Let's make some guidelines for people who wish to conduct a noob ride? Let's keep it classy...

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I'll the thread that it kinda started from too...
http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=214775

There are plenty of good things to a noob ride. The most important is the noob actually showing up to learn and not think of just going fast...
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Did not know that was there, thanks! Sorry for my noobness not using the search button Maybe we can update it with some good ideas from this thread?
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Its about teaching the right way to inexperienced riders so that they will be around long enough to enjoy the ride.
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IMO, noob rides should be teaching rides. I put on quite a few last year before I broke my foot, and I always had at least 3 experienced guys there (same ones each time) that spread out through the group and kept an eye on the noobs. We had plenty of stops, and at each one, the experienced guys would talk to the noobs about things they could work on.

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The most important part of a noob ride is the leader. At the pre-ride meet, let everyone know what the pace will be and then STICK TO IT. If everyone knows that the pace will be 10-over and the leader keeps that pace there won't be any surprises. I have been on "noob" rides where the leader was passed by other riders in the twisties, then took off to ride fast with those that passed them. Bad juju right there.

A noob ride should also be long enough that it gives guys a chance to use what they learn from experienced riders...even if that means riding the same stretch of road several times, and no...CRR isn't enough.

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I always like riding with you pinball, although I did bail on the twisties once.
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Well apparently body position is "all for show".

These are the types of comments we need to avoid because body position has nothing to do with geometry and traction, not to mention looking through turns.
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