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Old 07-03-2012, 01:17 PM   #41
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:55 AM   #42
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I wasn't aware they passed the JASO certification, BUT if Cuong is showing significant shear reduction in his oil than while it may have passed, it could have been on the lower side of the spectrum.
I think it's been a damned fine diesel engine oil, and knowing what I know about the 2 different engines it's difficult for me to buy into the whole one oil fits all scenario.

Internet discussions about oil can go on forever. Imo, based upon motorcycle engines I've seen, I'm not a huge fan of Rotella in motorcycles.
I wasn't before they had JASO certification and unless I see some new real life data to make me think otherwise I'm still not.
I still have not sent in 3 of my oils for analysis due to funds, but from my current experience and past knowledge, Rotella T is great so long as you shorten your oil interchange levels. Granted Rotella T is certified to use, it will shear regardless since our bikes operate at high RPMs as well as sharing the oil with the transmission gears. My bike is an unfortunate example of what happens when you run Rotella T6 At high RPMs daily. 9.5-12k+ RPMs for extended periods. I lost compression in both cylinders after a hard day at the track. Bike was having trouble starting since the rings were no longer sealing.

I'm sure Patrick and a few others have read the Amsoil oil on moto oils:

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Old 04-15-2013, 12:28 PM   #43
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I sent in my oil to get it tested. $25 for the standard test plus $10 to test the TBN to see how much life is left in the oil. The oil sample is from my ninja 250 which was ran for ~4200 miles for I changed the oil.

I have a lot of aluminum and iron in the oil and the viscosity of the oil has broken down to about that of a 30 weight. I'm going to send in another sample at 3k and see if there's any significant changes.

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If the second analysis doesn't fair well, I might just switch to AMSOIL. or Try the correct weight--10W40 vs 5W40.
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Im willing to get my Rotella tested as a comparative.
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:22 PM   #45
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People use it because of cost. Rotella T6 is a cheap synthetic that is approved for motorcycle use. It's a great diesel engine oil but the thing is, Diesel engine oil does not see that extreme abuse from high RPMs nor does it share it's oil with the transmission.
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People use it because of cost. Rotella T6 is a cheap synthetic that is approved for motorcycle use. It's a great diesel engine oil but the thing is, Diesel engine oil does not see that extreme abuse from high RPMs nor does it share it's oil with the transmission.
Couldn't have said it better, and unfortunately you're an example of what could happen by running Rotella.

Now before all of the Rotella fan boys come out of the woodwork, let me clarify.
I like Rotella. , I run it in my diesel dually and in most of our farm equipment. But, that's where it ends. Regardless of it's JASO certification in my experience Rotella does not do well in high revving engines, let alone those that also rely on the same oil for transmission lubrication.
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Im willing to get my Rotella tested as a comparative.
Please do, and then go buy yourself some real motorcycle oil
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Been running nothing but Shell Rotella T Syn in my '05 FJR since the first oil change. I add 4 oz of STP for the zinc it provides.

At 94,100 miles it runs STRONG and still brings a smile to my face every time I fire it up.

Lots of other high mileage sport touring riders (150k+) have used it for years and their bikes run great.
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Most sport tourers don't get into the high rpm range often or for long periods of time.
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Most sport tourers don't get into the high rpm range often or for long periods of time.
According to whom?

My FJR gets to redline at least once every single time I ride it.

And a lot of guys on the FJR forum would add to that statement.
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I'll bet your sportbike has rarely run 500+ mile days in hot weather at 75-85 mph @5-7k rpms like my FJR has on way too many occasions to even think about over the 94k miles I have owned it.
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Thanks for the expertise Patrick!

....lets see what Cuong comes up with.
I know of one rider that use car oil and already rode it 70000 miles and keep working
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The old gixxer is running strong after using Castrol 10-40 for 2 years. Switched to Motul on the last oil change. Bump for an old thread!
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My FJR gets to redline at least once every single time I ride it.

And a lot of guys on the FJR forum would add to that statement.
I redline before every gear change.
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I used R6T from 3k mile to 13k on my FZ1, then I switched to M1 Syn until now 22k.
The major difference I noticed is, at 6k ~ 7k rpm, R6T did not give smoothness as opposed to M1 Syn. I felt a lot more vibration with R6T. Also with M1, I feel I get better MPG but only by 2 miles more.
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I was using motul but switching to amsoil since its a little cheaper. good idea? track bike r6 05
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Amsoil is good stuff. Just make sure you change your oil as needed.
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I'm sure this thread will last forever, lol... I read about RT6 and high RPM riding and what not... The way I see it is diesel burns much hotter than gas. That solves the high RPM dilemma. Second, I've been running RT6 for a while now and have no problems. Regardless of the oil I'm using, 1000 miles is where I do my next oil change. This subject is endless in the 1000rr.net forum and is of high importance. It's the lifeblood of our bikes.... Duuhhhh!!!! That being said, run what you brung, just be sure to change your oil at frequent intervals and lessen the chances of damage no matter what lube you use...... Just my 2 pennies!!1
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As far as when to change to synthetic?
Imo on most of todays engines that have hard chrome rings and nikasil cylinders I like to wait till at least 6k to go to full syn. so as not to inhibit full ring seating.
I put mobil 1 full synthetic after my break in period (1k miles). Should I pull it out of there and put something different back in?
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