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Old 06-28-2012, 04:16 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Starter fluid spray for chain cleaning working GREAT

It evaporates quick, comes out at high pressure, and is 1.97 per can at walmart.

almost pure diethyl ether, it is safe for orings, and even skin.

It blasts the dirt off quick, follow up with a quick spray with a normal chain cleaner that dosn't dry so fast, brush it clean, and blast it again with starter spray for a SUPER CLEAN chain.

DO NOT DO THIS NEAR A FLAME...it is ether after all.

Give it a try, tell me you are not happy with the results.

I use about 1/3 a can each cleaning, but it saves me form using 1/3 a can of the EXPENSIVE chain cleaner.
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I use about 1/3 a can each cleaning, but it saves me form using 1/3 a can of the EXPENSIVE chain cleaner.
Id give it a try upon this.. my cans are 9 bucks every time I order them
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How do you know it's safe for o-rings?
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How do you know it's safe for o-rings?
That's what I was wondering. I've seen starter fluid eat up certain plastics and rubber quickly
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thinking the same thing about the o-ring...not so sure I'm ready to try it...
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want a cheap chain cleaner use wd40. Much better on o rings
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:15 AM   #7
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starter fluid is NOT safe for O ring chains so don't use it.. Not only will it eat the O ring, it will wash out the internal lubricate the O ring is supposed to be keeping in.

WD 40 is your friend for cleaning chains..
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Ok well "O-ring safe" is admittidly based on my experience.

Can anyone tell me how compatable diethyl ether is with whatever orings are made of?
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ok, so it looks like moto orings are made out of Buna (Nitrile)

looking at compatibality of Various orings with Ethyl Ether (should be same as Diethyl ether)

this is actually a pretty neat site

http://www.efunda.com/designstandard...yl%20Ether#mat


O-Ring Materials Compatible with Ethyl Ether
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Aflas (0) Buna-N (Nitrile) (2) Butyl (1)
Chemraz (4) Epichlorohydrin (3) Ethylene-Propylene (1)
Fluorocarbon (1) Fluorosilicone (1) Hypalon (1)
Kalrez (4) Natural Rubber (1) Neoprene (1)
Nitrile, Hydrogenated (1) Polyacrylate (1) Polysulfide (3)
Polyurethane, Cast (0) Polyurethane, Millable (0) Silicone (1)
Styrene Butadiene (1) Teflon, Virgin (4) Vamac (2)

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(4) Good, both for static and dynamic seals
(3) Fair, usually OK for static seals
(2) Sometimes OK for static seals; not OK for dynamic seals
(1) Poor
(0) No Data

so looks like maybe not so good like FJR says..
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and since WD-40 is mostly Hexane, looks like WD 40 is a winner.

Strange, I always thought WD-40 was bad for chain....


Key to O-Ring Material Compatibility Ratings

(4) Good, both for static and dynamic seals
(3) Fair, usually OK for static seals
(2) Sometimes OK for static seals; not OK for dynamic seals
(1) Poor
(0) No Data






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O-Ring Materials Compatible with Hexane
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Aflas (4) Buna-N (Nitrile) (4) Butyl (1)
Chemraz (0) Epichlorohydrin (4) Ethylene-Propylene (1)
Fluorocarbon (4) Fluorosilicone (4) Hypalon (3)
Kalrez (4) Natural Rubber (1) Neoprene (3)
Nitrile, Hydrogenated (0) Polyacrylate (4) Polysulfide (4)
Polyurethane, Cast (4) Polyurethane, Millable (3) Silicone (1)
Styrene Butadiene (1) Teflon, Virgin (4) Vamac (4)
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slow day at work...

look at this!

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345397
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and since WD-40 is mostly Hexane, looks like WD 40 is a winner.

Strange, I always thought WD-40 was bad for chain....


Key to O-Ring Material Compatibility Ratings

(4) Good, both for static and dynamic seals
(3) Fair, usually OK for static seals
(2) Sometimes OK for static seals; not OK for dynamic seals
(1) Poor
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O-Ring Materials Compatible with Hexane
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Aflas (4) Buna-N (Nitrile) (4) Butyl (1)
Chemraz (0) Epichlorohydrin (4) Ethylene-Propylene (1)
Fluorocarbon (4) Fluorosilicone (4) Hypalon (3)
Kalrez (4) Natural Rubber (1) Neoprene (3)
Nitrile, Hydrogenated (0) Polyacrylate (4) Polysulfide (4)
Polyurethane, Cast (4) Polyurethane, Millable (3) Silicone (1)
Styrene Butadiene (1) Teflon, Virgin (4) Vamac (4)
There's debate about WD-40. Motorcycles Unlimited uses it as do I but we spray it on a rag and not directly on the chain
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and since WD-40 is mostly Hexane, looks like WD 40 is a winner.

Strange, I always thought WD-40 was bad for chain....

Key to O-Ring Material Compatibility Ratings

(4) Good, both for static and dynamic seals
(3) Fair, usually OK for static seals
(2) Sometimes OK for static seals; not OK for dynamic seals
(1) Poor
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Order by Rating

O-Ring Materials Compatible with Hexane
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Aflas (4) Buna-N (Nitrile) (4) Butyl (1)
Chemraz (0) Epichlorohydrin (4) Ethylene-Propylene (1)
Fluorocarbon (4) Fluorosilicone (4) Hypalon (3)
Kalrez (4) Natural Rubber (1) Neoprene (3)
Nitrile, Hydrogenated (0) Polyacrylate (4) Polysulfide (4)
Polyurethane, Cast (4) Polyurethane, Millable (3) Silicone (1)
Styrene Butadiene (1) Teflon, Virgin (4) Vamac (4)
not as a surface cleaner, apply to cloth, clean and then lubricate with O ring friendly chain lube.
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not as a surface cleaner, apply to cloth, clean and then lubricate with O ring friendly chain lube.
^^what he said^^
And he can vouch for my chain. Had to change it at 29,000 because it was simply out of any further adjustment, but every single o-ring was intact. Sprockets were in great shape too considering the milage, but that has more to do with cleanliness and frequency of maintenance. Point is... WD-40 used properly as a cleaning agent = win.
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A lot of people use kerosene. I've heard that WD40 is bad for o-rings. I used the Motul chain clean which is expensive, but gives me peace of mind since its engineered to be O-ring safe.
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I used the Motul chain clean which is expensive, but gives me peace of mind since its engineered to be O-ring safe.
I used Motul Chain Clean for the first 10,000 miles on my 600RR no problems (sold it) and the first 2,000 miles on my 1000RR and then the o-rings started breaking and the chain looked like a rubber porcupine. I followed the the instructions exactly so I don't know what the happened.

I did use it once to clean the chain lube off the wheels and it left a nasty film. Also, the label says Motul Chain Clean contains Naptha. Seems kind of harsh
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I used Motul Chain Clean for the first 10,000 miles on my 600RR no problems (sold it) and the first 2,000 miles on my 1000RR and then the o-rings started breaking and the chain looked like a rubber porcupine. I followed the the instructions exactly so I don't know what the happened.

I did use it once to clean the chain lube off the wheels and it left a nasty film. Also, the label says Motul Chain Clean contains Naptha. Seems kind of harsh
Naptha can be had as Colman "Camp Fuel" aka white gas for about 5 or $10 bucks a gallon.
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