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Old 06-19-2012, 07:58 AM   #1
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"Spies Rule" Only Applies To American Riders, Apparently?

Dorna continues to play "Pin the Tail on the Donkey" with the MotoGP rulebook, and the "Rookie Rule" could be the next regulation to change.

Starting in 2010, rookie riders were prohibited from racing for factory teams. The rule was designed to help satellite teams field promising riders, which would in turn generate more sponsorship opportunities for those teams. The regulation commonly was called "The Ben Spies Rule" since it prevented 2009 Superbike World Champion Spies from jumping directly into the Yamaha factory team in 2010, as he raced for Tech 3 Yamaha that season.

But with Spanish Moto2 standout Marc Marquez tabbed by many - including those in Dorna offices in Madrid and Barcelona - as the next superstar of the premier class, it appears Dorna boss Carmelo Ezpeleta is willing to change, or at least bend, the Rookie Rule to get homeboy Marquez and his Repsol backing into the factory Repsol Honda team next season.

That's crucial for Dorna and Repsol, especially with Jorge Lorenzo electing to stay at Yamaha through 2014.

"The rule was made in order to help satellite teams, so as to guarantee for them young and talented riders before they inevitably end up with the factory teams," Ezpeleta said to Italian media. "It helps keep the gap between works and satellite teams in check. In any case, like every rule, it doesn't necessarily have to be kept rigidly. If it is judged to be bad, it can be reviewed."

Hmm. The rule was good to keep an ascending American superstar in check for a year. But it's bad to shackle a rising Spanish superstar?

There's also the option of placing Marquez on a works Honda with a satellite team for next season before promoting him to the factory team in 2014. But with Valentino Rossi available for the same works-satellite setup, wouldn't Honda prefer to create stability by setting Spaniards Dani Pedrosa and Marquez as its Respol Honda lineup through 2014 and giving Rossi the distance from HRC that he probably wants, due to past animosity, through a -out satellite setup?

This rules' flip-flop is nothing new in the house of Dorna over the last six years. Premier-class engine regulations have changed twice since 2006, moving to 800cc in 2007 and 1000cc in 2012, with great expense to the manufacturers. Limits on numbers of engines used per season were introduced. A caste system within the premier class, Claiming Rule Teams, was created. A "Rookie Rule" was brought into play and could be scrapped. The standard front tire compound is changing midseason this weekend at Silverstone. And so on.

Is it any wonder Casey Stoner's no longer in love with the championship? Is it a shocking surprise that Aprilia Racing boss Gigi Dall'Igna recently said rules stability is a major reason why the Italian manufacturer has fielded a factory effort in World Superbike instead of MotoGP?

The rules in MotoGP these days are about as stable as the value of the Euro or as several Eastern European governments.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jun/120614wsx.htm


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Ezpeleta explains MotoGP Rookie Rule change of heart
"after many discussions with the independent teams, we decided that it is better to cancel the rule" - Carmelo Ezpeleta, Dorna.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/181..._of_heart.html


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Though Marquez was fun to watch this last race in Moto2, this sounds like BS.


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Yep, and lets be honest, has any American really been popular in GP besides in the eyes of American fans...?

If you've ever traveled outside of the US, you will know that everyone just despises the Americans to begin with.
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how much american money and talent is actually involved, compared to the rest of the world? I do not think they are too concerned about what americans think.
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how much american money and talent is actually involved, compared to the rest of the world? I do not think they are too concerned about what americans think.
They hold 2 races in the US, and are talking about CotA. So there's significant American money.
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Yep, and lets be honest, has any American really been popular in GP besides in the eyes of American fans...?

If you've ever traveled outside of the US, you will know that everyone just despises the Americans to begin with.
what a crock

Shwantz has legendary popularity, with only Rossi imo surpassing that.
Rainey almost as much,
Colin edwards is idolised,
Scott Russell (more for his WSBK) is right up there,
Randy Mamola is huge in Europe etc etc

Dude your statement is way off.
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but they still dont make the jack that golfers, and soccer players make, and they aint risking life and limb every second, thats totally fuct in my eyes
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what a crock

Shwantz has legendary popularity, with only Rossi imo surpassing that.
Rainey almost as much,
Colin edwards is idolised,
Scott Russell (more for his WSBK) is right up there,
Randy Mamola is huge in Europe etc etc

Dude your statement is way off.
I disagree. I equate popularity in this case with like-ability, not talent, skills, or hardware.

No other country rooted for an American rider if they had a local rider on the grid.
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but they still dont make the jack that golfers, and soccer players make, and they aint risking life and limb every second, thats totally fuct in my eyes
with the exception of Rossi that is who many believe inc me to be the GOAT

but I agree, they should be payed way more, at all levels of the sport right down to club level racing if I had my way and the funds to do it
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I disagree. I equate popularity in this case with like-ability, not talent, skills, or hardware.

No other country rooted for an American rider if they had a local rider on the grid.
you're wrong again,

King Kenny may have been revered for his talent skills and hardware as was Eddie Lawson but for likeability my list stands.
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my post was not a statement it was a question, and yes there are two races here in the states united.. out of how many? do the states united have the expectation of actually being able to influence any decision making....
as to the american riders, how popular are they really, I mean away from here.
I am a new fan of racing and do not really know enough to know what influence if any states united folks have.
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my post was not a statement it was a question, and yes there are two races here in the states united.. out of how many? do the states united have the expectation of actually being able to influence any decision making....
as to the american riders, how popular are they really, I mean away from here.
I am a new fan of racing and do not really know enough to know what influence if any states united folks have.
Edwards is HUGE in Europe, Hayden a little less so but his dancing act at laguna endeared him to many across the water. Spies has yet to stamp his personality onto the grid.
the US has very little say in Dorna politics, the sport is dominated by the Italians and Spaniards, fortunately the size of the US economy for the the competing manufacturers pretty much ensures the right of way for worthy US riders.
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I think the "American money" in reference here is more in the forms of sponsors. True, there are 2 MotoGP races n the US and soon to be a third. The difference is, most of the European races bring in 80,000+ fans to the track.

As far as racer popularity, riders like Rossi, Marquez, Lorenzo and such have hero status equal to NASCAR legends like Earnhardt and co. Motorcycle racing is part of the culture over there. Sure, Hayden, Edwards and other Americans have a fan base but not equal to their European counterparts.
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Edwards is HUGE in Europe, Hayden a little less so but his dancing act at laguna endeared him to many across the water. Spies has yet to stamp his personality onto the grid.
the US has very little say in Dorna politics, the sport is dominated by the Italians and Spaniards, fortunately the size of the US economy for the the competing manufacturers pretty much ensures the right of way for worthy US riders.
I love the boy, but "Spies" and "personality" do not belong in the same sentence. lol
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I think the "American money" in reference here is more in the forms of sponsors. True, there are 2 MotoGP races n the US and soon to be a third. The difference is, most of the European races bring in 80,000+ fans to the track.

As far as racer popularity, riders like Rossi, Marquez, Lorenzo and such have hero status equal to NASCAR legends like Earnhardt and co. Motorcycle racing is part of the culture over there. Sure, Hayden, Edwards and other Americans have a fan base but not equal to their European counterparts.
isnt that just the saddest

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I love the boy, but "Spies" and "personality" do not belong in the same sentence. lol
bit harsh
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you're wrong again,

King Kenny may have been revered for his talent skills and hardware as was Eddie Lawson but for likeability my list stands.
agreed alot of EURO riders wear lids of edwards and spies, wonder why.
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As far as racer popularity, riders like Rossi, Marquez, Lorenzo and such have hero status equal to NASCAR legends like Earnhardt and co. Motorcycle racing is part of the culture over there. Sure, Hayden, Edwards and other Americans have a fan base but not equal to their European counterparts.
Exactly. Where's the CE or BS shirts?
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agreed alot of EURO riders wear lids of edwards and spies, wonder why.
Proof? I'd love to see some sales numbers by country.
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