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Old 01-11-2007, 12:42 PM   #21
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:08 PM   #22
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pretty much everything costs more.. according to my friend Julio that lives in Fresno.. he says everything is more expensive.. gas is always higher by 30-50cents... groceries... toys(bikes and RC cars)... I dont really give a though... I love Texas.. born and raised here...
Fresno? That place even looks like Texas........
Gas is higher for sure......and housing.......but he's crazy about the rest. And I lived there for 20+ yrs, Northern and Southern Calif.
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guess we really are on opposite sides. i can't wait to get the heck away from here. i want to go somewhere with some scenery (like hills and mountains)
Looks like I'll be here for another 13-14 yrs.......but AMEN brother on the scenery
Oregon would be nice.....
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Opinions, opinions, opinions. Economists, are like Doctors- if you have two of them in a room, you're going to get two different opinions.

Raising the minimum can (and usually is) very good for the local economy because the more money people make, the more they spend. Cost of living has steadily increased, but the minimum wage has stayed constant. You have to have incentives for people to work the jobs that pay minimum wage too.

Be a pessimist, or an optomist, but regardless of that, raising the minimum wage is not going to make everything expensive or hurt local economy. It has very positive affects too.

I guess we will see.

My prediciton:
The 'local' economy will suffer more than anyone else. your local Ace hardware will hold off on hiring one extra person next year because of the increase. Your local McDonalds will hold off on hiring one extra person, etc. However, you can bet the prices in those places will raise 5%-10%.

You have to look at who's getting more money. Everyone in the country isn't getting a raise with this increase so it's not a big economy booster. Increasing MW a couple of dollars isn't going to make those people earning MW run out and buy new cars or homes. It's simply moving the money around - from the general population's pocket to the small percentage of people.

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If you don't like what you're getting paid then look for a new job. If you don't have the skills to find a new job, get them. Life is tough.

Me final opinion:
The MW should be phased out. Government shouldn't be mandating wages. Free Market!!!

EDIT: Here's one more thing to consider. The people that will suffer the most from this are the same people it's trying to help. That $5 Happy Meal will go up to $5.25. Twenty-Five cents is a whole lot more to someone making $7 an hour than it is to someone making $40 an hour.

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Old 01-11-2007, 01:30 PM   #25
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guess we really are on opposite sides. i can't wait to get the heck away from here. i want to go somewhere with some scenery (like hills and mountains)
lol... ya this place is pretty flat.... oh well.. some good fishing.. although there is one lake in Cali I'd like to hit.. that Lake Castaic where the 26# bass was brought in at..
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its going to put a dent in everything for all us small business owners...
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Maybe they won't hire that extra person, but rest assured, if the prices do go up, whether it's fact or fiction, will be blamed on the increase of the mw. It's another adjustment that comes with free enterprise and market.

Economic theory, history and common sense says differently. The people who make mw and get the raise are exactly the people that will go out and do those sorts of things. The majority of businesses that target that group know exactly who is going to spend the money and on what.

At the risk of sounding lewd, I'll make the analogy of Dave Chappell's "Reparations" skit. If you've seen it, you'll need no explaination. If you haven't, see it! I'm not saying that "all black people make minimum wage"- so don't put those words in my mouth, it's just an analogy to the $2 raise and what people who make minimum wage will do with the "extra" money- to the extreme, not realistic.

Not trying to attack you at all, so don't take it that way- but that last statement is grasping at straws. Eating at McD's or simular places is a luxury. People who are that destitute don't go out to eat- even for a $5.25 Happy Meal.

It's not like our society is so poverty stricken. Even the most impoverished areas I have seen (and been deep in to) are not THAT impoverished.
Good points.

I don't completely understand though. On one hand you're saying that people earning MW will help boost the economy with their newfound money then on the other hand your saying that eating at McD's is a luxury for them. The raise will be so gradual that it will make no impact to the person earning it. However, you can bet prices will immediately raise (good excuse for retailers to do so )

Basically %4 of the workforce gets a raise while the rest of us have to pay for it. MW is BS and it should be done away with. Businesses tend to use it as a standard and some people earning MW have come to only expect that wage.

BTW: I was raised by a single parent who made min wage or close to it - so not trying to bash anyone.
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Well, the point about that (the luxury item things) is for the truley "impoverished" that I was talking about. Most of the people I have seen working mw jobs are not truley impoverished.

I can see where it may seem like a contradiction, but if you think about the majority of the employees that work mw jobs, they aren't TRULEY impoverished. The smaller number of those that are, don't eat out or simular activities.

Now I'm confused...
After spending 3 weeks in India I'd have to laugh at anyone here who thinks they live in poverty. At least we have opportunity in the USA.
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... and these are people who can afford homes.
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:34 PM   #31
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On the bright side, minimum wager could catch up to the increase cost of living like gas, clothing, and other things for awhile. Then later on business owners has opportunity to increase their price for products and service since they have to pay employees and whatnot. Then we will start at square one again. By the year 2030 minimum wage will be $20/hr and 1 gallon of gas will be $60/gal.
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Old 01-12-2007, 08:45 PM   #34
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I grew up between Hunt and Kerrville and would agree that Houston sucks. But most of Texas is really pretty.
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