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Old 06-13-2012, 07:31 AM   #1
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So I was wondering yesterday why you don't really see Ninja 650s as Trackbikes. The SV is a pretty popular track/race choice among the track community and I absolutely love mine; however, in my limited experience I have never seen a Ninja650 track bike. I personally haven't ridden one so I am not sure what invalidates it as a decent choice. Any insight?
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You don't see it because it's a ninja

They are stealthy...
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Not as readily available I would assume. I see tons of sv's but only seen a couple of people on the 650
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Not as readily available I would assume. I see tons of sv's but only seen a couple of people on the 650
Yeah but Suzuki quit making the SV... and the Ninja650 is still in production. I would assume that means it sells decently..
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My gut tells me that its easier to correct the SV's ailings than it is the 650R. That, and the used market is a lot deeper.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:55 AM   #6
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The market for the 650r isnt that great and there isn't so many of the bikes around. They are not much of a popular bike as people tend to go with a SS 600 when outright purchasing or upgrading for the wee factor.
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Huh... I always found SV's harder to find than 650r

The main reason though, (IMO)... 650r didn't come to the U.S. until 2006. The SV, being around earlier, had a higher number of cheap/disposable bikes/parts.
Not sure why it's use didn't pick up, but may just be a matter of popularity.

Also, the 650r looked pretty dated until the 2009 re-make. I didn't buy mine for the looks, and don't plan on it keeping these looks either
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I have an 07 650r as my street bike. It's also the bike I got into track with. From what I gathered, there are just more parts and aftermarket available for sv's. diff strokes for diff folks. I like how no other bikes look like the 07 and lower ninja 650's
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DON'T COUNT THE 650r Ninja OUT.

The bike is very strong. The Ninja 650r won the Moto ST Endurance Series Championship the first year they raced it. It beat alot of SV 650's. Jimmy Felice and Jay Springsteen sat aboard the bike. Year #2 of the series it also ran up front and was on the podium at nearly all of the race events. Weed out the bike as everyone does the other bikes in competition and it is a contender. There are a great deal of aftermarket parts available for the 650r Ninja now then when it was introduced.

In a nut shell. It can WIN. Just ride it like you stole it. But, hey that racing RIGHT !!
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I think my ninja 650 could beat gixxers on the track, its all about how you ride.

Im still learning to take the bike to its full potential, its always surprising me with the powerband
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I wasn't saying it couldn't..I just thought it odd that there wasn't any that I knew of
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from wikipedia

sv650

Dry Weight 165 kg (376 lb)
Power 73.4 hp (54.7 kW) @ 8800 rpm
Torque 47.2 lbfft (64.0 Nm) @ 7000 rpm

650r

Dry Weight 178 kg (392.5 lb)
Power 64.8 hp (48.3 kW) @ 9,000 rpm
Torque 44.7 lbft (60.6 Nm) @ 7,250 rpm

the sv is lighter, makes more power, more parts availability (used oem and aftermarket), more people riding/racing them also means there is more development into the track aspect of it, kind of a no brainer on which bike to choose imo. the 650r's do sound better and to me are better streetbikes for ergonomics, but for the track... hands down the SV.
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sv650

Dry Weight 165 kg (376 lb)
Power 73.4 hp (54.7 kW) @ 8800 rpm
Torque 47.2 lbfft (64.0 Nm) @ 7000 rpm

650r

Dry Weight 178 kg (392.5 lb)
Power 64.8 hp (48.3 kW) @ 9,000 rpm
Torque 44.7 lbft (60.6 Nm) @ 7,250 rpm

the sv is lighter, makes more power, more parts availability (used oem and aftermarket), more people riding/racing them also means there is more development into the track aspect of it, kind of a no brainer on which bike to choose imo. the 650r's do sound better and to me are better streetbikes for ergonomics, but for the track... hands down the SV.
truth right there.
no one wants to go figure one out and burn though tires, track time and bikes to figure them out.
dont forget ,SV's big brothers (gsxr's) share some small but important pieces, like levers and such from same brands, that matter more than you would think..
i too belive 650r's are cooler looking bikes though...
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I think my ninja 650 could beat gixxers on the track, its all about how you ride.

That's comparing riders, not machines.
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Yeah this is really a consideration of the machines rather than the riders. Lets hold the rider as a constant for the most part. Can he consistently put up faster times on the SV vs. the 650R or vice versa.
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Dry Weight 165 kg (376 lb)
Power 73.4 hp (54.7 kW) @ 8800 rpm
Torque 47.2 lbfft (64.0 Nm) @ 7000 rpm

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Dry Weight 178 kg (392.5 lb)
Power 64.8 hp (48.3 kW) @ 9,000 rpm
Torque 44.7 lbft (60.6 Nm) @ 7,250 rpm

the sv is lighter, makes more power, more parts availability (used oem and aftermarket), more people riding/racing them also means there is more development into the track aspect of it, kind of a no brainer on which bike to choose imo. the 650r's do sound better and to me are better streetbikes for ergonomics, but for the track... hands down the SV.
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In Thailand the Ninja is a popular track bike, I think your going to see a variety of different bike where ever you go.
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OK I won't bang my Gong, but I did show a result with the Moto ST Series with Yes two very fast Pro's aboard the 650r. If you would pull up the results and see the names of the very fast Pro's aboard the SV machines at the say events this should show the Kawasaki does have the potental to be very competitive.

Sullivan it correct. Do a little research and over in the land of the Rising Sun there is a bunch of info you can pull from to eaisly sort out the Ninja 650r and be very quick off the trailer with. Some riders on Sv's won't know what just showed up.

A'm I partial to Team Green only? No, there are two red bikes, one blue bike and three small mini endurance green bikes in the stable at the moment. Would love to sell the mini's (hint--hint). Loved the Suzuki's in the dirt w/ knobbies, and wrestled a 750 Harley on lots on state fair ground tracks.

The point is build the bike up correctly and go have a wild time riding it.

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