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Old 06-12-2012, 07:08 PM   #1
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MSRH CCW What to expect!?

I've been having this discussion with a lot of people and end up with more questions everytime. And it also becomes more and more interesting. So here are some of the questions I have.

What are the Times for advance and intermediate? Are the time the same as running it CW? I know a few people said that it was different time when GSS was ran CCW. So what are the differences (if any) faster, slower times?

Who has ran it CCW before and what did you think about it?

Why did they stop doing it? Is the wall exiting spice that crazy?

I find it it's going to be really fun to see who figures out or starts getting more comfortable with the track first, since in a way the people that have not this way, will be in a "equal playing field" (or maybe not) shoot I don't know.

I just know that I really like msrh and I'm really looking forward to this new direction.

How scary is the launch? What do you need to do to make sure you are not freaked out by it?

Does anyone by any chance has video of it being ran CCW?

See, I told you there were a lot of questions.

Is anyone pretty excited? What are your questions, what are you looking forward to the most?

What are you most nervous about?


Anyways, hopefully some of the most experienced guys can shine a little light here. All I know is that it sounds fun and really looking forward to it!
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I did Td's there before they changed the direction. The wall makes you feel like you should tiptoe a little through that turn.
The launch is interesting in either direction. When going CCW you have to be aware of the throttle (depending on the bike) it is possible to spin up the rear tire and/or wheelie. One gives the pucker a workout, the other can lead to a little headshake, and again a pucker moment ensues.
Finish the turn before you reach the crest the best you can.

Gut Check is awesome CCW because you are carrying a LOT of speed through there and then you gotta slow up for S and S.

Also, the turn at the end of the pit straight was easy to screw up. Many people ran off there. Not sure how it is now that they have kinda reworked the stripes there.

Diamonds Edge is way different because now you are entering a right dogleg at the end of the straight while slowing for a pretty tight left.

The sweeper at the end of the back straight requires a little judgement because you gotta learn where and how much to brake. You can carry a lot of speed through it but then it's hard on the brakes before the bus stop.

It's a new set of challenges but it's still a fun track. You'll be fine.
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I did Td's there before they changed the direction. The wall makes you feel like you should tiptoe a little through that turn.
The launch is interesting in either direction. When going CCW you have to be aware of the throttle (depending on the bike) it is possible to spin up the rear tire and/or wheelie. One gives the pucker a workout, the other can lead to a little headshake, and again a pucker moment ensues.
Finish the turn before you reach the crest the best you can.

Gut Check is awesome CCW because you are carrying a LOT of speed through there and then you gotta slow up for S and S.

Also, the turn at the end of the pit straight was easy to screw up. Many people ran off there. Not sure how it is now that they have kinda reworked the stripes there.

Diamonds Edge is way different because now you are entering a right dogleg at the end of the straight while slowing for a pretty tight left.

The sweeper at the end of the back straight requires a little judgement because you gotta learn where and how much to brake. You can carry a lot of speed through it but then it's hard on the brakes before the bus stop.

It's a new set of challenges but it's still a fun track. You'll be fine.
I was expecting you to be one of the ones to post your experience there.

I guess even for the intermediate group there would be a round robin to see the lines...

Coming out the launch, are you on the inside or do you drift out? I imagine on the inside...
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:12 PM   #4
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I'm not even coming and I'm scared of it!! Me and S&S dont like each other... lol
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I think LSTD have done it before...
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Holy !! Just saw some videos on YouTube.. Dang!!!!! I wanna go!!!!
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Do any of the instructors even know the lines well enough to hold a RR? I suspect the current ones will be learning just like us.

Study google maps and plan ur lines ahead of time. If u know em in ur head it will make it ezr.
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I'd get a hold of Allan/Whoopie and spend some time with him. He's got a ton of experience with that track.
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I'd get a hold of Allan/Whoopie and spend some time with him. He's got a ton of experience with that track.
That's a good point.

I'll try to pick his brain at his TD at the end of this month, planning on riding with his school.
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Ok well, there you have it...
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I've been having this discussion with a lot of people and end up with more questions everytime. And it also becomes more and more interesting. So here are some of the questions I have.

What are the Times for advance and intermediate? Are the time the same as running it CW? I know a few people said that it was different time when GSS was ran CCW. So what are the differences (if any) faster, slower times?
I don't remember my times going CCW and I never ran it back to back for a fair comparison.

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Who has ran it CCW before and what did you think about it?
I love the track both direction. It is a lot of fun.

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Why did they stop doing it? Is the wall exiting spice that crazy?
They never stopped doing it. CMRA didn't want to run it in that direction, so some of the track day orgs stopped running it that way because they wanted to practice for the CMRA races. MSRH still runs it in the original configuraton on their member days. No, you are making a big deal about nothing. That corner is slow and not scary. It is way worse now running it backward coming out of turn one without the curbing there preventing you from running it up to the wall full throttle.

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I find it it's going to be really fun to see who figures out or starts getting more comfortable with the track first, since in a way the people that have not this way, will be in a "equal playing field" (or maybe not) shoot I don't know.
I just know that I really like msrh and I'm really looking forward to this new direction.

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How scary is the launch? What do you need to do to make sure you are not freaked out by it?
Again, you are making a big deal about nothing. Just take it easy the first few laps if you are concerned.

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Does anyone by any chance has video of it being ran CCW?
Just check out YouTube. There are some video on there.
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I started riding MSRH when it was CCW only. I got a chance to ride it a couple months ago going Ccw. I had forgotten how much fun it was! Actually, i think i like it better

Bumblebee posted some really good tips for going that direction. Laps times will be a touch slower. The launch is a lot of fun! The wall was the main reason they changed directions. The funny thing is I notice the wall more going CW than i did going CCW.

I'm posting from my phone, I may have missed something?!
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Bumblebee posted some really good tips for going that direction.
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I started riding MSRH when it was CCW only. I got a chance to ride it a couple months ago going Ccw. I had forgotten how much fun it was! Actually, i think i like it better

Bumblebee posted some really good tips for going that direction. Laps times will be a touch slower. The launch is a lot of fun! The wall was the main reason they changed directions. The funny thing is I notice the wall more going CW than i did going CCW.
I'm posting from my phone, I may have missed something?!


Me to. I'm sure it has something to do with the fact that you are going about 40-50mph faster through the corner going CW.
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I don't remember my times going CCW and I never ran it back to back for a fair comparison.



I love the track both direction. It is a lot of fun.



They never stopped doing it. CMRA didn't want to run it in that direction, so some of the track day orgs stopped running it that way because they wanted to practice for the CMRA races. MSRH still runs it in the original configuraton on their member days. No, you are making a big deal about nothing. That corner is slow and not scary. It is way worse now running it backward coming out of turn one without the curbing there preventing you from running it up to the wall full throttle.



I just know that I really like msrh and I'm really looking forward to this new direction.



Again, you are making a big deal about nothing. Just take it easy the first few laps if you are concerned.



Just check out YouTube. There are some video on there.
most of the questions or the "big deal" scary stuff is from stuff I heard a few post and say... I def don't know, but I thought it would be good to get a good discussion going.

I'm pretty sure it's gonna be Badass!
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I started riding MSRH when it was CCW only. I got a chance to ride it a couple months ago going Ccw. I had forgotten how much fun it was! Actually, i think i like it better

Bumblebee posted some really good tips for going that direction. Laps times will be a touch slower. The launch is a lot of fun! The wall was the main reason they changed directions. The funny thing is I notice the wall more going CW than i did going CCW.

I'm posting from my phone, I may have missed something?!
yeah, I like bumblebee's post, it was a really good snap shot.

And he's so humble about it.
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yeah, I like bumblebee's post, it was a really good snap shot.

And he's so humble about it.


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Do any of the instructors even know the lines well enough to hold a RR? I suspect the current ones will be learning just like us.

Study google maps and plan ur lines ahead of time. If u know em in ur head it will make it ezr.
Kris Lillegard, intermediate Fastline instructor, had the counter-cw 600 record there for a while, 1:40 on his 03' R6. He'll be there.

Lots of us rode it with Buck and other trackdays. It is easy to pick up CCW and super d duper fun.
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A video of cars running it CCW... Doesn't looks that bad, but this guy is kinda slow lol j/k

Only turn that seemed sketchy was diamond's edge....

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