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Old 06-13-2012, 03:53 AM   #21
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Most good tire reps at the track can look at a tire and tell you if your pressures are close.

Other thing to remember is a "soft" street tire can be almost too soft in the Texas heat. Once it overheats it turns greasy fast. Thicker tread on street tires retains heat more also.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:51 AM   #22
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Top 3? Bridgestone, Dunlop and Pirelli.
Try them all amd pick which ever one suots your riding style.
Remember that the tires have different heights and profiles between each brand and adjust your suspension and more importantly your geometry accordingly.
This brings up a question I have about changing brands to try another tire.


I've been very happy with the Pirelli Superbike Pro slicks to date, but am interested in trying the new USA made N-tecs. This would mean going from a 180 rear to a 190 on the 600 to try them out.

Any info on how drastic a change in suspension I'd need to make to accommodate the change in tire heights? Or is going to a 190 a bad idea in the first place?



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I've also had Brandon make on-site adjustments here and there to my suspension to help me really understand what I'm getting back from the bike in different conditions. He's offered up a lot of advice and help time and time again.

Point? Both of these guys and their shops do excellent work. I'd recommend either of them to anyone here.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:32 AM   #23
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Iono, i burned my hand trying to check it so i dont check it now.
Bad idea. As you increase pace, tire pressure becomes very important as you attempt to control the temperature in your tire. The squirliness you were feeling might have been solved simply by adding 1psi of pressure.

Worth checking now?
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:41 AM   #24
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Or having your suspension REALLY set up by Brandon at P1.
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Brandon is a talented tuner, no doubt, and not to take anything away from his skills, who do you think taught him a lot over almost 8 years when he worked for Motorcycles Unlimited, and we're still on good terms.

I've been building / setting up suspensions before you were green.
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Floyd.. IMO, I'd say more comfortable you feel, the better off you will.. Why not spend that little extra to have a tire you'll feel more comfy on..
I run track tires, warmers and everything when I go out to play!

But when I go instructing.. I dont want to throw away 500 bucks worth of tires.. going slow and causing cold tear because I'm not going fast enough to keep them "Hot"



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No advice here, just questions.. Lol.

"Setting up susp. before you were green." bahaha.

Please, tell me the top 3 "race tires"???
Isnt it DOT tires for superstock in cmra right?
Dont wanna run slicks and go back down to whatever and "cramp" my style.

Im on bt016's, (lvl3, 28f,26r cold) and last time out they got real edgy/squirly when the track got hot. I gota burn through em tho.. 2 more td's and ill be getting a nice race tire.

Hopin for 5sec of confidence between tires/gearing.
You need to get the off those tires.. You're fuking moving out there! I got a few videos of you following me with my go pro facing "back"



The reason why I've asked this questions is because (like I said) I'm helping instructing and when it comes down to "my tires" I want to get what I paid for... I dont mind trowing some Q2's and help out. But I also dont want to go down when its time to catch up.

I just need to stop been a and ride!

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Dunlop Q2s are good enough for a fun pace at the track. I did a 2:03 my first time in intermediate at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on them. My lines suck and so does my gear selection so I know a smoother rider can do <2:00. My rear was sliding coming out of the horse shoe and into the back straight but nothing uncontrollable. I have switched to the Dunlop slicks since then but I'd still ride Q2s if I was on a budget.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:57 AM   #26
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This brings up a question I have about changing brands to try another tire.


I've been very happy with the Pirelli Superbike Pro slicks to date, but am interested in trying the new USA made N-tecs. This would mean going from a 180 rear to a 190 on the 600 to try them out.

Any info on how drastic a change in suspension I'd need to make to accommodate the change in tire heights? Or is going to a 190 a bad idea in the first place?


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I've also had Brandon make on-site adjustments here and there to my suspension to help me really understand what I'm getting back from the bike in different conditions. He's offered up a lot of advice and help time and time again.

Point? Both of these guys and their shops do excellent work. I'd recommend either of them to anyone here.
There's pros and cons of going to the 190. Some like them, others don't. Only you can make that judgement if it matches your riding style.

That said the geometry change will be significant.
If you're happy with the bikes current geometry set up my advice is to measure what you have now and then replicate it with the 190.
That will give you a static/familiar platform to be able to evaluate the tire from.
From there you can make adjustments to your suspension as needed.
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There's pros and cons of going to the 190. Some like them, others don't. Only you can make that judgement if it matches your riding style.

That said the geometry change will be significant.
If you're happy with the bikes current geometry set up my advice is to measure what you have now and then replicate it with the 190.
That will give you a static/familiar platform to be able to evaluate the tire from.
From there you can make adjustments to your suspension as needed.
Ok speaking of changing tires.. i am a lvl 1 about to move to level 2 rider and i just realized that the tire i have neen running is a 200/50(pos shop i went to put the wrong tire and i assumed they wouldnt do that and never checked..) but i am thinking of going to a 180/55 q2 amd am wondering how crazy that is going to feel seeing as the tire i have been riding is near a Drag tire
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The 180 will be much easier to turn in.
Take your time relearning the bike, but the change will be a positive one.
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I like this question. I run on street tires now and have been thinking about making the switch. Does everyone in L3 ride with warmers etc, or are there people out there with q2's and the like? also what makes everyone decide to make the change? what kind of times were you running when you made the change?


if your in advanced/lvl3 and not running warmers and race rubber its an accident waiting to happen.
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flyod when i instruct i still use the warmers and run the ntecs, at slower speeds the tires show no wear what so ever as long as you keep them on the warmers.
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flyod when i instruct i still use the warmers and run the ntecs, at slower speeds the tires show no wear what so ever as long as you keep them on the warmers.
I do too.. but on the cold days.. well.. you know..

I was doing level 1, one day. and After instructing I went 1 extra lap by my self just to see how the bike was doing. lol holy !!
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The 180 will be much easier to turn in.
Take your time relearning the bike, but the change will be a positive one.
Ol that's wjat i figured, and ya im def. Gonna take it slow at forst... and by easier to turn woll it also b wasier to lean? Because i was off my bike pulling it down as hard as i could and barley dragging my knee in sugar and spice. Lol (before the flames come i know the goal isnt to drag knee, i just use it as a reference to gow far over i am) lol
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Yah guess so, they got kinda sketchy.

Floyd600, Cant wait to get off these tires. I might do it this week. Got bills tho. Where's this vid you speak of Floyd? Id be stoked to see it. Curios of my wack bp.
I have it in my computer.. been meaning to put it together but with my slow internet P.O.S. Direct TV, I just get lazy..

It looks good! "Rear view"

I can only say.. get on the throttle sooner because thats where you are staying behind... but other then that.. for the must part I think I got you on video for about 2 laps or so..
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Ol that's wjat i figured, and ya im def. Gonna take it slow at forst... and by easier to turn woll it also b wasier to lean? Because i was off my bike pulling it down as hard as i could and barley dragging my knee in sugar and spice. Lol (before the flames come i know the goal isnt to drag knee, i just use it as a reference to gow far over i am) lol
If you're dragging knee with out trying, then you're doing something right I would say.
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