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Old 06-12-2012, 12:56 PM   #1
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Tire question.. (my tire people where you at?)

Asking about "Street tires" for level 3 riders... How much can they hold. How much would you trust them?

It doesn't matter if its Q2's or Bt016's.. or any other street tire out there.. but the question is.. how much would you trust them? and how much can they hold your pace? why do they give out after running 15/20 minute sessions? why does it slide all over the place when coming out of a turn? tires too hot?

If you run 40's at Msrh.. would you be ok with street tires? or Fk that!

Looking for an answer from the racers.. fast level 3 riders and our tire vendors.

The reason why I'm asking is because I dont have the confident that I used to when I put some street tires and go out on the track.. I remember seen a video of Cdill running on an R1 at Msrh and coming out of S&S the rear came lose.
I lost the front going into S&S on my 4th track day and I dont think I was doing anything wrong..
My buddy Martinez lost it at TWS (Texas World Speedway) last track day and Some of us have seen his video.

Should you get tires for "the level" that "you" are riding?

Maybe its just in my head.. but I would like to hear what you guys would have to say..

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i am interested in hearing what the "experts" have to say on this myself... for future reference.
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Not an "expert" but...
If it's a track only bike then my advice would be to get the stickiest tires you can afford.
That removes one variable and one mental reservation from the picture.
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as you gain more experience, you'll be able to ride a less superior tire better.

there is a negative side to running race tires when you are not ready for them also, it just bandaids your ability to learn how to manipulate your riding style to accommodate the tires ability.

but some people wanna make sure their bike is already big enough for them to grow into, instead of growing with their bike. it all comes down to personal preference and comfort in my opinion. you can't go fast if you're not comfortable doing so.
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as you gain more experience, you'll be able to ride a less superior tire better.

there is a negative side to running race tires when you are not ready for them also, it just bandaids your ability to learn how to manipulate your riding style to accommodate the tires ability.

but some people wanna make sure their bike is already big enough for them to grow into, instead of growing with their bike. it all comes down to personal preference and comfort in my opinion. you can't go fast if you're not comfortable doing so.
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For me it was the confidence of knowing if I crashed it was my fault and not because I didn't have enough tire.
Take it to the opposite extreme...
If you did a TD on cheapo rock hard maypops, you might learn about how to manipulate your riding style to accomodate the tires ability, but you might sacrifice your fairings and some skin to learn that lesson.

That said, maybe race tires for someone not able to ride them hard enough to keep them at operating temp might not be the best idea.
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I run the stickiest /longest lasting tire I can find.

Im sure it makes up for a whole lot of talent I lack because I would surely hurt myself on a street / track tire.

I rode a friends bike at msr last trackday on q2's I think without any warmers and I was scared to death, could all be in my head but like they said confidence is everything.
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Not an "expert" but...
If it's a track only bike then my advice would be to get the stickiest tires you can afford.
That removes one variable and one mental reservation from the picture.
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IMO if you're trying to get faster, having the stickiest tires you can afford is one of the best investments you can make.
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Or having your suspension REALLY set up by Brandon at P1.
Brandon is a talented tuner, no doubt, and not to take anything away from his skills, who do you think taught him a lot over almost 8 years when he worked for Motorcycles Unlimited, and we're still on good terms.


I've been building / setting up suspensions before you were green.
It's been good enough to win multiple TMGP, CMRA, WERA and AMA races/championships.
Tell me "Mr. Trackday", how many have you won?
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Brandon is a talented tuner, no doubt, and not to take anything away from his skills, who do you think taught him a lot over almost 8 years when he worked for Motorcycles Unlimited, and we're still on good terms.


I've been building / setting up suspensions before you were green.
It's been good enough to win multiple TMGP, CMRA, WERA and AMA races/championships.
Tell me "Mr. Trackday", how many have you won?



O, and Floyd.. IMO, I'd say more comfortable you feel, the better off you will.. Why not spend that little extra to have a tire you'll feel more comfy on..
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I like this question. I run on street tires now and have been thinking about making the switch. Does everyone in L3 ride with warmers etc, or are there people out there with q2's and the like? also what makes everyone decide to make the change? what kind of times were you running when you made the change?
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Race tires will benefit from warmers. It will reduce their heat cycles and extend their life. It will also allow you to spend more time working on lines and less time waiting on your tires to warm up.
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Other thought is what are your tire pressures when you come off the track "hot"?
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Top 3? Bridgestone, Dunlop and Pirelli.
Try them all and pick which ever one suits your riding style.
Remember that the tires have different heights and profiles between each brand and adjust your suspension and more importantly your geometry accordingly.
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