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Old 06-11-2012, 11:46 PM   #61
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Not likely. On the track Trail breaking is using the rear break to slide the rear tire, and point the front of the bike in the direction you intend to go. It is an advanced technique used by experienced racers.
You're confusing backing it in with trail braking

Trail braking is done into the corner, up to the apex.. it is an option for when you can't bleed enough speed off prior to tip in, or when you want to go deeper than the other guy into the turn to make a pass.

More people than not use the front rather than rear when trail braking

Sliding the rear is called backing it in, sliding the rear around to tighten the angles
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You're confusing backing it in with trail braking

Trail braking is done into the corner, up to the apex.. it is an option for when you can't bleed enough speed off prior to tip in, or when you want to go deeper than the other guy into the turn to make a pass.

More people than not use the front rather than rear when trail braking

Sliding the rear is called backing it in, sliding the rear around to tighten the angles
Thank you for explaining it.
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The thing is, so many riders are not adept at braking.
They are real good at twisting the throttle.. but not so much at stopping.

You are not proficient until you can use both front and rear, whether leaned over or straight up. Did you know that using the rear FIRST counteracts the brake dive from the fronts and actually helps stop unloading the rear?

I get tired of hearing "I only use the front since the rear gets so light and just locks up"

Old rule I learned from way back... "practice panic braking from the speeds you normally ride at".. wonder how many of those SMR heroes ever do that?
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There are alot of variables though. Bike size, body position, weight of the rider, tires and preassure, suspension, and chain tightness. Not to mention the condition of the road.
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Sure, but anyone trying to advance their skills will want the suspension set up for them, and I would hope that if you are trying to ride closer to the limits you take the time to adjust the chain and tire pressures accordingly.
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Of course. Personally I am not pushing my limits anymore. I like to have fun, but it is always intresting to discuss riding techniques. I am always learning.
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I use rear brake for street riding all the time, for no other reason than to practice in a controlled situation and to reinforce muscle memory. That rear brake might not add much, but in a panic stop, a difference of a few feet could mean the difference between a close call and a very very bad day.
+1 to whut he says....

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I use the **** out of the rear. Sometimes because my R hand gets tired in traffic but still almost all of the time when breaking with breaks.

I don't understand you guys that are afraid of locking up the rear....just release and you will be fine
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Nothing wrong with using it just as long as you actually know why you're using it.
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You're confusing backing it in with trail braking

Trail braking is done into the corner, up to the apex.. it is an option for when you can't bleed enough speed off prior to tip in, or when you want to go deeper than the other guy into the turn to make a pass.

More people than not use the front rather than rear when trail braking

Sliding the rear is called backing it in, sliding the rear around to tighten the angles
Thanks, I thought for a sec that maybe trail braking had a different name with motorbikes than all other forms of racing.



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I use the **** out of the rear. Sometimes because my R hand gets tired in traffic but still almost all of the time when breaking with breaks.

I don't understand you guys that are afraid of locking up the rear....just release and you will be fine
Actually you hold it till it stops unless you know what your doing. If u let it go to soon u can possibly go down.
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Jesus Christ...it's a BRAKE. Not a BREAK. Sorry, had to point that out.

Use both, when applicable. If you never use the rear, you are relying on the front only and ignoring all potential situations where there is excess traction available at the rear wheel. Maybe most humans don't have enough RAM to work the throttle, gears, front, and back brake all at once in perfect harmony. But give it a few years and let the electronics take over and we'll see how much more rear brake control is discussed than it is now. Remember, you can't always be just on the edge of a stoppie on perfect concrete all the time, don't matter who you are...
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You're confusing backing it in with trail braking

Trail braking is done into the corner, up to the apex.. it is an option for when you can't bleed enough speed off prior to tip in, or when you want to go deeper than the other guy into the turn to make a pass.

More people than not use the front rather than rear when trail braking

Sliding the rear is called backing it in, sliding the rear around to tighten the angles
To expand on trailbraking a little, the front brake trailing is not always necessarily to slow you down more but to also sharpen the fork rake to turn in tighter.
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To expand on trailbraking a little, the front brake trailing is not always necessarily to slow you down more but to also sharpen the fork rake to turn in tighter.
yep, and then you have to be real smooth coming off the brakes so the fork doesn't unload and cause you to run wide

But really, the "true" definition of trail braking is continuing to use the brake after you are tipping into the turn; as opposed to the old school technique of getting all the stopping done before starting the lean.
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