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Old 06-08-2012, 04:26 PM   #21
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I use rear brake for street riding all the time, for no other reason than to practice in a controlled situation and to reinforce muscle memory. That rear brake might not add much, but in a panic stop, a difference of a few feet could mean the difference between a close call and a very very bad day.
In the dirt, TTBC teaches to use both since there's so much less traction, and less weight xfer. Got me thinking about going back to using a *little* rear brake on the street - if for no other reason than ensure my right foot gets some practice at judiciously applying it.

If I'm coasting up to a stop, I'll sometimes use rear only to get a better feel for how much pressure gives how much stopping force. Easing on a little rear brake also seems to reduce the front dive somewhat.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:41 PM   #22
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tightening the line is not stopping, it serves a different purpose and the line you said you disagreed with was dealing with straight line stopping not tightening the line.
obed, I don't think there is a conflict here. Track Day riding is a whole nother animal all together. On my first TD, I didn't touch my rear brake at all. Why? Because I was already overwhelmed with new tasks and concepts to learn and practice (following the line, body positioning, throttle control, trail braking, etc.), that adding the use rear brake - for whatever purpose - would have taken my concentration away.

So I concentrated on learning and practicing one task only. Riding the line, and later body positioning. It is following Keith Code's $10 bill theory. What he preaches is mostly performance and track riding. The ultimate goal there is to learn to take the least time to go between point A and point B.

On the street, normal riding is not performanc riding (for me anyway), but defensive riding. Most brake use is with bike up right in a straight line, reacting to traffic flow. Makes perfect sense to practice coordinated F&R braking in that environment. The ultimate goal is to maximize my chance of survival.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:55 PM   #23
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In the dirt, TTBC teaches to use both since there's so much less traction, and less weight xfer. Got me thinking about going back to using a *little* rear brake on the street - if for no other reason than ensure my right foot gets some practice at judiciously applying it.

If I'm coasting up to a stop, I'll sometimes use rear only to get a better feel for how much pressure gives how much stopping force. Easing on a little rear brake also seems to reduce the front dive somewhat.
That is very true. I often use the rear brake in greater proportions when I am in stop and go traffic to minimize the nose dive and pitching that front brake induces. Makes for much smoother riding at crawling speeds.

When traction is compromised, rear brake becomes that much more important. I remember when I rode up in Buffalo, NY in the middle of Winter (yes, I was young, dumb and full of c*m), I learned from the cruiser riders to use the rear brake a lot more than usual, because: "if you locked the rear wheel you fishtail; lock the front wheel, you're a dead fish." Now some of them cruiser pilots carry this to an extreme and don't use front much at all. I don't agree with that.

Same thing with bicycle riding. On a racing bike, there is no suspension, so even though there is still weight transfer there is no front dive under braking. Rear brake use is even more important. There, it is easier to modulate, because your use one hand for each brake.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:26 PM   #24
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With such light weight and short wheelbases, compared to cars, I focus on the front brake. I do drag the rear brake when I'm slowing down, but other than just applying some pressure to it, I don't concentrate finding out the threshold of the rear.

Now at slow parking lot speeds I mostly focus on the rear brake.
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My rear tire tends to chirp along at threshold quite often.
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Rear brake then front brake until rear skips then let off the rear. It helps alleviate some of the dramatic front end diving. It is a pretty quick procedure at speed.
Not using all the braking where it can be used is absurd. Racers have to know how to deal with a loose back tire situation and rear braking will teach it well.
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I always use both brakes because I keep off the grass
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The rear brake is for steering only and should never be counted on as a requirement for stopping the bike. I do, lighty apply the back brake to set the front before applying full front application.
THIS...

i apply rear lightly then front. Like mentioned above by volfy, IF an "ohshit" moment occurs.. (Luckydevil incident), my foot is already slightly depressed on the rear and front ready.. (given muscle memory is acquired).
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Smart people here compared to the last rear brake conversation had at the old houstonriders site.
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Old 06-09-2012, 12:42 AM   #31
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The rear brake is for steering only and should never be counted on as a requirement for stopping the bike. I do, lighty apply the back brake to set the front before applying full front application.
So which is it? You contradict yourself in the same paragraph?

Using the rear first then the front will help settle the chassis and alleviate a lot of the chassis pitch/nose dive.

Granted it can't be counted on alone to stop the bike, but why ignore any part of your arsenal??

Mid corner the rear is much less likely to stand the bike up as well.
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a lot of the differences of opinion in this thread are not really a difference in application, but in terminology. stopping, slowing, direction modification are used interchangeably in this thread. in some cases there is not really a difference in what they are doing, just a difference in how they look at what they are doing and how they explain it.
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When I need to stop I engine brake, use the front brake, the rear brake, I'll put my feet down Fred Flinstone style if I thought it'd help.
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And I thought the rear brake was for seeing who could lay down the longest skidmark at red lights!
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And I thought the rear brake was for seeing who could lay down the longest skidmark at red lights!
Right!?

I guess no one realizes how dangerous the front brake really is. You should only be using your rear brake, especially in an emergency
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Right!?

I guess no one realizes how dangerous the front brake really is. You should only be using your rear brake, especially in an emergency
Huh?
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Huh?
No front break! trying to speak Mh.
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Hard on the front break, weight on the bars, and gas it. Smoke happens.
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Did this on accident twice.
His angle is extreme though.

Is this faster or slower through a corner, given a perfect entrance and exit?

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I took the back brake and put in on the left side up front and I took the left front brake and put it on the right rear side. The I switched the left hand clutch cable to the rear brake peg and put the rear brake cable on the throttle. No, wait, I put the RIGHT front brake line in on the FUEL pump, that was it, yeah, and I put the clutch cable someplace. When I hit the kill switch the right front brake comes on, I think. So now when I go into either a turn or just down a straight life is just one big surprise.
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