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Old 06-07-2012, 08:31 PM   #1
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Using the Clutch as a 3rd Brake

Just ran across this video of Ty Howard explaining some of braking techniques. I never really though about using the clutch as a 3rd brake. Having said that I dont use my rear brake at all (unless I go picking daisies in the Bus stop again). I find this actually interesting since I have a 09 CBR600RR which does not come with a slipper clutch, I can actually flip this "weakness" of the bike into a strength by slippin the clutch to help slow the bike down. I am by no means an expert but in theory this works in my head. I will try it at the next track day....


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Old 06-07-2012, 08:37 PM   #2
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:39 PM   #3
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I do it frequently ............... having said that, clutch plates are more expensive than brake pads.
But yeah, there are certain braking points that that helps a lot
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:42 PM   #4
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I do it frequently ............... having said that, clutch plates are more expensive than brake pads.
But yeah, there are certain braking points that that helps a lot
u do? U never said anything to me fool!!

Are you sure your not talking about engine braking?

Watch the video, he is talking about staying on the gas longer then using the front brake and down shifting 2 or more gears and then slippin the clutch rather than letting the slipper clutch do its work...
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Well it is still engine braking what he says, but he is using it at low RPM after he drops them all the way down and from multiple gears.
I'm not as dramatic as he says, but yeah the clutch to control the rear braking and the suspension setting for braking/turning.
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IMO you should practice the threshold braking technique before trying to use the clutch. You need to figure out how much front braking power is available to you and maximize that.
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IMO you should practice the threshold braking technique before trying to use the clutch. You need to figure out how much braking power is available to you and maximize that.
true...I have some trust issues with my CBR since I just got it and Im not comfortable on it yet. I dont even know what pads are on it...probably stock
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Imo, change the pads to ebc double stinted. Up grade to ss lines, and see if that helps. I always use engine breaking, but it kills my rear tire. I am no expert, just giving my own personal experience.
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m track bike has no slipper clutch so i have to do just this to be in the correct gear when coming into a corner. it becomes a combination of hard front breaking then slipping the clutch as you get closer to the tip in point then continue to trail break all the way to the apex. this will allow you to run very deep into the turn as you get more comfortable.
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m track bike has no slipper clutch so i have to do just this to be in the correct gear when coming into a corner. it becomes a combination of hard front breaking then slipping the clutch as you get closer to the tip in point then continue to trail break all the way to the apex. this will allow you to run very deep into the turn as you get more comfortable.
I see. So you are trail breaking the bike to point it in the direction that you want to go. Just be carefull. You could end up in a high, or low side. Every bike is differant, so take your time and find out what works for you.
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I've heard of riding the clutch to prevent overrev/chatter, but never as a third brake.
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Its just engine braking. This technique used to be actually taught in driver's ed, back when automatic transmissions were an option instead of about your only choice.

I do it all the time.
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i would also suggest putting all your main focus on using the front brakes and never rely on engine braking to help slow you down.

whether you have a slipper clutch or not.... i'd highly suggest learning to slip the clutch lever out slowly. being smooth (in every input you do make on the motorcycle) will help you be fast!
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i would also suggest putting all your main focus on using the front brakes and never rely on engine braking to help slow you down.

whether you have a slipper clutch or not.... i'd highly suggest learning to slip the clutch lever out slowly. being smooth (in every input you do make on the motorcycle) will help you be fast!
I ride a Harley. Fast is something other people are
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Did some of u guys even watch the video? I a a scence it is engine braking but not what most ppl thing. Its not using the slipper clutch but rather your hand as the slipper....

Listen to what he says about the R6 and the aftermarket slipper...
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This is an advanced technique (I'm slow and concentrate on front brake limits). But I do find it interesting that he and many racers see this as a big part of their braking, yet will often admit (as Ty did in this discussion about the rear brake) that the rear tire is nearly useless for braking most of the time.
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This is an advanced technique (I'm slow and concentrate on front brake limits). But I do find it interesting that he and many racers see this as a big part of their braking, yet will often admit (as Ty did in this discussion about the rear brake) that the rear tire is nearly useless for braking most of the time.
Exactly! He is talking about tenths and even hundreths of seconds gained by this method. Use the front brake to maximum force until you feel extremely confident.
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But I do find it interesting that he and many racers see this as a big part of their braking, yet will often admit (as Ty did in this discussion about the rear brake) that the rear tire is nearly useless for braking most of the time.
Which makes sense considering the dynamics of a motorcycle on the brakes.

I know on my trackturd there's no point in even trying this (before I threw in a slipper) there is so much lever effort required and so little feel from it being hydraulic that I just couldn't ride the limit.
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