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Old 06-07-2012, 10:25 AM   #41
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I didnt serve him. I dont agree with the bartender law either. Its not their fault if I drink too much anymore than the drive through person at McDonalds being at fault cause Im fat.

As far as ice on the road.. There is a charge for not obeying the warning signs stating there is ice on the road
I agree as a bartender I am no where near the person when he puts the key in the ignition. Why am i held responsible for another persons irresponsibility. It is a prime example of the litigous system we live in. I think people should own actions.
This law has been on the books since around 1984

But if this guy was texting and killed another person that is all on him.
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:28 AM   #42
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I do agree in personal accountability. I'm 35 and I had my share of accidents on those 3 wheelers. They were dangerous as . So are skate boards when not careful. Lots of people have been hurt on trampolines too. I dont agree with all of the civil suits, but civil and criminal are two different things. I'm just saying everything doesn't need to be criminal. It's getton out of hand and will only get worse.
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I agree as a bartender I am no where near the person when he puts the key in the ignition. Why am i held responsible for another persons irresponsibility. It is a prime example of the litigous system we live in. I think people should own actions.
This law has been on the books since around 1984

But if this guy was texting and killed another person that is all on him.
I only stated that there is no way to know he was in fact texting at that moment.

As far as the bartender . How would you know if he was drinking before or after he left your place? How could you reasonably be expected to know if a person is .08? Too many factors outside your control. Its an example of what I have been saying this whole time. Too many pushing for everything to be criminal
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I only stated that there is no way to know he was in fact texting at that moment.
So convincing 12 people that he was is not good enough for you?
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That is absolutely your fault. Because you allowed another drunk to get on your vehicle when you should have recognized his state of incapacitation and the danger that would pose to him.

But you were probably too drunk to think right. Thus, negligence on your part.

How's that any different than you handing a loaded pistol to your drunk friend, and he blows his head off?
And you guys will be the first ones to get a lawyer and fight the same laws you are defending right now, give me a brake.

When is your turn at the bench, i will see you all off cussing the system

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I didnt say I was drunk. I said drinking. Lets say I had 1 beer. He had 3. How was I supposed to know he was altered to the point that he was gonna fall off? I had a friend borrow my bike and wreck it. He had been drinking and I was not aware of how much. Should I have been charged?
This ppl are like obama, no personal responsability whatsoever, blame anyone for their mistakes
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And you guys will be the first ones to get a lawyer and fight the same laws you are defending right now, give me a brake.

When is your turn at the bench, i will see you all off cussing the system

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This ppl are like obama, no personal responsability whatsoever, blame anyone for their mistakes
Just like the defendant in this case... denying he was texting while he was driving, in the face of phone records indicating otherwise.

I thought the license suspension is excellent punishment in addition to the jail time.
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Just like the defendant in this case... denying he was texting while he was driving, in the face of phone records indicating otherwise.

I thought the license suspension is excellent punishment in addition to the jail time.
There are 60 seconds in a minute. How long does it take to read a text? He had not sent a text. It only shows he received a text in that minute
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There are 60 seconds in a minute. How long does it take to read a text? He had not sent a text. It only shows he received a text in that minute
The jury thought it reasonable to infer that he was texting, rather than that he was a completely terrible driver. After all, he swerved across the center lane into oncoming traffic in the middle of the day.
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Deveau’s lawyer argued there was no evidence that the crash caused Bowley’s death. In his own testimony, Deveau said he was distracted by the amount of homework he had to do and sent his last text message while parked in the parking lot of the grocery store where he worked. Furthermore, he said he left his phone in the passenger’s seat until after the crash when he called his parents.

Though he insisted he was not texting at the time of the crash and could not remember texting while driving, phone records indicate Deveau sent a text message at 2:34 p.m. and received a response at 2:35 p.m. Police said the crash occurred at 2:35 p.m., ABCNews.com reported.
consider the first sentence i quoted...imagine a bit more involved in the court case that played into it than we know.
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It is strange. Not sure what they are trying to imply
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It is strange. Not sure what they are trying to imply
I recall that the victim was in a coma. There may have been complications at the hospital because of the care he received.
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Now that would suck.
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The victim would not have been put in the hospital, if it were not as a direct result of the defendant's negligence.

Regardless of what exactly distracted him to cross the centerline, the very fact that he admits being distracted so as to cross the centerline puts him squarely at fault for causing the victim's demise.

The circumstantial evidence for texting while driving is rather compelling. Is it prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, probably not. But it is the job of the jury to decide - not ours to second guess.

All this talk about not taking personal responsibility is rather comical. Here the defendant tried egregiously - albeit in vain - to avoid taking responsibility for his own action. IMHO, the judge/jury gave him the very least of what he deserved.
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I just hate the precedence it sets and the doors it opens
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This is far from being the first case. Texting while driving is already an epidemic. And plenty of (mostly young) people have gone to jail for causing accidents TwD. We just had a safety fair here at work a few months back, and they showed a video specifically on the subject.

Of course drivers have been distracted by other dumb things ever since the advent of the automobile. DUI is probably still king, but TwD is climbing fast to become a major cause of traffic fatalities. No doubt made worse by the fact that it tends to inflict predominantly young drivers, who are already at greater risk of causing accidents.
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