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Old 06-07-2012, 09:57 AM   #21
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Your mentality goes way beyond texting. Every case can set a precedence. Kids can be charged for selling lemonade on their sidewalks due to mentalities like yours.
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Everything will one day fall under criminal neg. You and your buddy are drinking at the beach. You are riding around on a 4 wheeler. He is drunk as and falls off and hits his head. Bam! Jail time for you. I don't agree with that
That is absolutely your fault. Because you allowed another drunk to get on your vehicle when you should have recognized his state of incapacitation and the danger that would pose to him.

But you were probably too drunk to think right. Thus, negligence on your part.

How's that any different than you handing a loaded pistol to your drunk friend, and he blows his head off?
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I believe you. I really do. Riding motorcycles will be against the law in a matter of time IMO. Someone like you but with no interest in bikes will write that one in the name of public safety. We will no longer be in charge of our own safety. It's all coming.
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That is absolutely your fault. Because you allowed another drunk to get on your vehicle when you should have recognized his state of incapacitation and the danger that would pose to him.

But you were probably too drunk to think right. Thus, negligence on your part.

How's that any different than you handing a loaded pistol to your drunk friend, and he blows his head off?
I didnt say I was drunk. I said drinking. Lets say I had 1 beer. He had 3. How was I supposed to know he was altered to the point that he was gonna fall off? I had a friend borrow my bike and wreck it. He had been drinking and I was not aware of how much. Should I have been charged?
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I believe you. I really do. Riding motorcycles will be against the law in a matter of time IMO. Someone like you but with no interest in bikes will write that one in the name of public safety. We will no longer be in charge of our own safety. It's all coming.
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That would be funny if it wasnt 100% obvious that I was right. You can't really have your head that far up your . Take the lemonade stand for example if you need proof. There are many more examples.
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I didnt say I was drunk. I said drinking. Lets say I had 1 beer. He had 3. How was I supposed to know he was altered to the point that he was gonna fall off? I had a friend borrow my bike and wreck it. He had been drinking and I was not aware of how much. Should I have been charged?
What if your kid tells me he has a MC license and knows how to ride, but it's a lie. I let him take my CBR1000RR for a spin and he kills himself. You gonna sue me?
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What if your kid tells me he has a MC license and knows how to ride, but it's a lie. I let him take my CBR1000RR for a spin and he kills himself. You gonna sue me?
Not your fault. I would be at my kid. Im a sensible person
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That would be funny if it wasnt 100% obvious that I was right. You can't really have your head that far up your . Take the lemonade stand for example if you need proof. There are many more examples.
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What if he's 15?
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What if I save myself from endless stupid what if's and put you back on ignore where you belong?
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Bluewave your scenereo is already on the books as negligently serving a person. It is a drama shop law. As a bartender if I serve you get you drunk you leave the bar get in your car and kill someone on your way home I can be sued by the victims family.

An accident is ice on the road not doing something other than operating a motor vehicle while operating a motor vehicle.
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LOL, I guess you made at least one mistake
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Bluewave your scenereo is already on the books as negligently serving a person. It is a drama shop law. As a bartender if I serve you get you drunk you leave the bar get in your car and kill someone on your way home I can be sued by the victims family.

An accident is ice on the road not doing something other than operating a motor vehicle while operating a motor vehicle.
I didnt serve him. I dont agree with the bartender law either. Its not their fault if I drink too much anymore than the drive through person at McDonalds being at fault cause Im fat.

As far as ice on the road.. There is a charge for not obeying the warning signs stating there is ice on the road
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bluewave, I'm not picking on you. Your concerns are exactly mine... except I am looking from a different angle.

Remember the 3-wheel utility vehicles? You may be too young to remember back when they were just as popular as the 4wheelers. Then the exact scenario you described happened to too many kids. Their grieving parents - instead of blaming themselves for allowing their kids to kill themselves - blamed the 3-wheeler mfrs instead.

Poof! No more 3-wheelers. It is because I do care about motorcycling that I prefer the law to hold those who are ACTUALLY to blame, than the mfrs getting the wrap.

It's about personal responsibility - holding yourself accountable for everything you do.
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bluewave, I'm not picking on you. Your concerns are exactly mine... except I am looking from a different angle.

Remember the 3-wheel utility vehicles? You may be too young to remember back when they were just as popular as the 4wheelers. Then the exact scenario you described happened to too many kids. Their grieving parents - instead of blaming themselves for allowing their kids to kill themselves - blamed the 3-wheeler mfrs instead.

Poof! No more 3-wheelers. It is because I do care about motorcycling that I prefer the law to hold those who are ACTUALLY to blame, than the mfrs getting the wrap.

It's about personal responsibility - holding yourself accountable for everything you do.
I do agree in personal accountability. I'm 35 and I had my share of accidents on those 3 wheelers. They were dangerous as . So are skate boards when not careful. Lots of people have been hurt on trampolines too. I dont agree with all of the civil suits, but civil and criminal are two different things. I'm just saying everything doesn't need to be criminal. It's getton out of hand and will only get worse.
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