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Old 05-31-2012, 08:00 PM   #1
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Armor jacker under textile jacket/leather suit?

Well, I have been eyeing these for the longest time, I'd like real world opinion on them.

I'm not thinking on using something like this under a hoodie, I would not feel safe, more like use it under my textile jacket (without its armor, of course) and under my leathers (again, without upper body armor).

I like that it has everything, shoulder, elbow, back and chest protector.
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2009 Alpinestars SMX Bionic 2 Vest Black

I'm not aware of any other brand that offers this setup, besides Fox and Bilt, I tried both at CG and frankly did not like the quality and fit (specially on the Bilt one).

I know some of you fkrs out there use these, talk to me.
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I use the bionic vest under a gptech airflow and the combo is perfect. If you jacket already has molded *read not ce* pads, the shoulders and arms would be redundant and does not fit well. If your jacket has no padding this would be great.
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I use the bionic vest under a gptech airflow and the combo is perfect. If you jacket already has molded *read not ce* pads, the shoulders and arms would be redundant and does not fit well. If your jacket has no padding this would be great.
All my gear has removable CE armor, so in that regard I'm golden.
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I would go with option A. Textile jackets melt to the skin.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:09 AM   #5
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I wear a ballistic jersey under my winter riding suit which has no armor. Can't remember the brand.
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I would go with option A. Textile jackets melt to the skin.
Since when does say...Denim or Cotton 'melt' to the skin?
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honestly i would just go for a leather jacket with a back protector, chest guard is mainly for moto x. When your tumbling down the road your back elbows shoulders and knees are going to take the brunt of the impact. I just think they are redundant, and uncomfortable. I would go with option b if you want chest protection.
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I would go with option A. Textile jackets melt to the skin.
Urban myth, I've never seen a mesh jacket actually melt to the skin, or even heard about one that could be proven with pics that the jacket actually melted.
Don't believe me? Try this test: take an old mesh jacket, put it over a sand bag and then throw it out of a truck at say 70 mph.
(For liability sakes don't do this on an open road with traffic.)
The jacket will not slide long enough in one area to generate enough heat to allow it to melt. The speed you'd have to be going coupled with the friction needed to make the jacket actually melt would have to be extreme. Think towed behind a truck at 70 mph for a few miles.
Even in that case the jacket would be more likely to tear.

If you were to generate that type of speed/coefficient of friction than you're going to suffer burns regardless of what you're wearing. I got some nasty 2nd degree burns on my right elbow when I went down at Road Atlanta, through my leathers and armor.

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Leo, for under jacket use the Bionic vest is a good option imo.
That said if I feel the need to wear that much armor I'll probably be wearing leather too.
I've tried the Bionic full jacket and found it uncomfortable and hot.
Tom/Scorpio has the jacket and seems to like it though. Try pm'img him.
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Hey patrick.. Trev's mesh jacket DID show/have some melting...

However.. it was nowhere sufficient/extensive to where it would have melted/bonded to his skin/rash and several of the spots could have been due to the heat of the actual fire rather than from the abrasion.

I think this 'claim' comes back to early days of nylon and polyester.
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Exactly my point.
For the jacket to get hot enough to actually melt into your skin it would have to be extreme.
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I wear the a* bionic without anything over it... And it feels great in the warm weather. I get some funny looks sometimes from people. But I don't care. I feel well protected and cool (temperature cool)
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Does the first choice offer any rib protection? Is rib protection necessary?
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Does the first choice offer any rib protection? Is rib protection necessary?
Most vests or jerseys emphasize protecting the chest and spine.

I did find this "shirt":

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Cool! That looks like something a knight would wear.
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Urban myth, I've never seen a mesh jacket actually melt to the skin, or even heard about one that could be proven with pics that the jacket actually melted.
Don't believe me? Try this test: take an old mesh jacket, put it over a sand bag and then throw it out of a truck at say 70 mph.
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Even in that case the jacket would be more likely to tear.

If you were to generate that type of speed/coefficient of friction than you're going to suffer burns regardless of what you're wearing. I got some nasty 2nd degree burns on my right elbow when I went down at Road Atlanta, through my leathers and armor.

Back OT.
Leo, for under jacket use the Bionic vest is a good option imo.
That said if I feel the need to wear that much armor I'll probably be wearing leather too.
I've tried the Bionic full jacket and found it uncomfortable and hot.
Tom/Scorpio has the jacket and seems to like it though. Try pm'img him.
I don't want to wear it by itself like Eric lol, I would remove the armor from my summer textile jacket, and on my leathers as well. I know some people use this jacket under a hoodie, not me, in the case of my textile jacket, it's made to contour to the body anyway and it has adjustments, a hoodie does not.
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Have you looked into the Bohn armor?

http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/catalog/

They also make stuff for the upper body.
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